Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!bu.edu!polygen!jerry From: jerry@polygen.uucp (Jerry Shekhel) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: (Video) Hardware Idiots ? Message-ID: <1143@stewart.UUCP> Date: 18 Jun 91 13:58:26 GMT References: <1991Jun9.151244.8883@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <1991Jun9.184849.4299@neon.Stanford.EDU> <1991Jun10.043321.21692@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <375@orac.UUCP> Reply-To: jerry@stewart.UUCP (Jerry Shekhel) Organization: Polygen Corporation, Waltham, MA Lines: 31 In article <375@orac.UUCP> bret@orac.UUCP (Bret Indrelee) writes: > >VGA lives on the ATbus (now sometimes called the ISA bus). This bus >is slow. It is difficult to get any kind of random access runnings at >greater than about 2Mbytes/sec (possible, just difficult) assuming the >CLK is running 8 1/3 MHz. Run it any faster and you better be ready >for an unreliable system, or invent a logic family that can work in >about -5nSec ;-) > >The time of signal propagation doesn't allow enough time for a board >to assert *READY to insert wait states if you run your ATbus at greater >than 8 1/3 MHz, and not every piece of hardware can run zero-wait states. >At 10 MHz, you have to be able to respond before the signals have settled >(thus requiring negative time) to meet the ATbus spec. > I don't know about this. I just recently switched my 33MHz 386 to an ISA bus speed of 11MHz, and I have yet to see a problem. Granted, I only have 3 boards -- a disk controller that's been tested with bus speeds of up to 16MHz, the SuperVGA, and a parallel/serial/game card. But if cards are advertised as having been tested in high-speed ISA buses, I seriously doubt your "negative time" requirement. -- +-------------------+----------------------+---------------------------------+ | JERRY J. SHEKHEL | POLYGEN CORPORATION | When I was young, I had to walk | | Drummers do it... | Waltham, MA USA | to school and back every day -- | | ... In rhythm! | (617) 890-2175 | 20 miles, uphill both ways. | +-------------------+----------------------+---------------------------------+ | ...! [ princeton mit-eddie bu sunne ] !polygen!jerry | | jerry@polygen.com | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+