Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!think.com!mintaka!olivea!uunet!mcsun!hp4nl!svin02!eba!ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl!wjw From: wjw@ebh.eb.ele.tue.nl (Willem Jan Withagen) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apollo Subject: re: DSEE 4.0 documentation Message-ID: <1223@eba.eb.ele.tue.nl> Date: 19 Jun 91 14:54:30 GMT References: <9106181919.AA08291@pan.ssec.honeywell.com> Sender: news@eb.ele.tue.nl (The News system) Reply-To: wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl Organization: Digital Systems, Eindhoven University of Technology, the Netherlands Lines: 62 In article <9106181919.AA08291@pan.ssec.honeywell.com>, thompson@PAN.SSEC.HONEYWELL.COM (John Thompson) writes: => => Well, it appears that we got shipped the wrong version of the DSEE manuals. => We have a weird shared-maintenance agreement with HP through an internal => division, so I don't know where along the line we got the old manuals. It => sounds like the ink may have been drying on the new books when they filled => our order. => => I opened up a ticket w/ HP's hotline at roughly the same time (through our => internal support group), and everybody at HP ran around taking care of the => problem and keeping in synch with each other and in touch with me!! => => I'd like to publicly thank Joe Daigle and Rick Conti at HP/Apollo. They => were extremely helpful in tracing the problem and getting a solution in => the wings (the manuals haven't yet arrived, of course). It's people like => them that make me think that maybe HP will survive. => [Read with voice tuned to pity] How come we usually have good experiences with direct contact to the 'working classes' at HP/Apollo? Is it because they care, and most of the management thinks that Apollo-users are just losers? [End of tuned voice] I enquired about snakes with my sales rep. [ which are still called HP Apollo 9000/700's :{ ] And he also gave me this slick looking brochure called: Domain/OS and HP OSF/1: Interoperability and Operating System Evolution. Put this one next to the open letter and you'll die of laughter. The whole thing is a joke, but allow me some quotes: The strategies and products outlined in this summary definitively prove why HP is a leader in providing the right solution for workstation users, AND how HP continues to lead the workstation marketplace in the coming years while continuinig to protect our customers system investment. [I guess that you'd read our as HP before the overtake.] on page 4 is a figure which suggest that OSF/1 is going to have a DM 'like' editor. [ They mean to say that's it's also in a window, right? ] Would you like to know what they write about Domain/OS: [no joke, neither made up] Domain/OS already offers the best distributed computing environment with the highest level of workstation interoperability in the industry. It is a very mature product that is considered the Cadillac of workstations operating systems. But, in order to make Domain/OS a full partner in the hetrogenious computing environment to today, there's still work to be done. This comes from the first 5 pages, and there are 30 in total. The only thing that might rescue HP/Apollo for apollo users is the fact that the make a fast 'BOX' at the moment. But I don't think it any different from a SUN. Which are plenty at our Univ. and might be a very good next choice. Willem Jan -- Eindhoven University of Technology DomainName: wjw@eb.ele.tue.nl Digital Systems Group, Room EH 10.10 P.O. 513 Tel: +31-40-473401 5600 MB Eindhoven The Netherlands