Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu!snorkelwacker.mit.edu!bloom-beacon!eru!kth.se!sunic!mcsun!ukc!axion!micromuse!micromuse!dj From: dj@micromuse.co.uk (D.J.Walker-Morgan) Newsgroups: comp.unix.amiga Subject: Re: some questions Message-ID: Date: 17 Jun 91 07:56:29 GMT References: <1991Jun10.212147.19177@meteor.wisc.edu> <504@regina.uregina.ca> <1991Jun13.132128.21224@micromuse.co.uk> <22476@cbmvax.commodore.com> Organization: MicroMuse Ltd, London, UK. Lines: 71 daveh@cbmvax.commodore.com (Dave Haynie) writes: >In article <1991Jun13.132128.21224@micromuse.co.uk> dj@micromuse.co.uk (D. J. Walker-Morgan) writes: >>cazabon@hercules (Charles Cazabon (186-003-526)) writes: >>The SVR4 is *NOT* as well put together as other SVR4's, the X11 seems to >>be based on AT&T's distribution and is X11R3... and for the money you pay >>for the basic machine here in the UK, you can acquire higher specification >>NeXTs, Macs, 486's and some SPARC systems. >Well, perhaps you should consider that SVrR4 isn't yet available on NeXT, Mac, >or SPARC. And most of the UNIX systems currently shipping for PClone are not >SVr4, though that is available. Well, I've been living with 386 SVR4's for a while now, from a number of vendors (AT&T, Intel, UHC, Dell... all commercially availble SVR4's) There's nothing an SVr4 user misses under SunOS 4.1..... >>The A3000UX has to be bought with a ULowell card (the A2024 monitor I don't >>regard as an alternative) and monitor. >Have you actually used an A2024 or Moniterm? I use them daily, both at home >and at work. There's no obvious difference between these and the NeXT display >in practical use. If you want high resolution color, I can understand that >this doesn't solve you problem, but otherwise, it's a fine display IMHO. I have no doubt it's a fine display, but I don't buy a fine color computer like the Amiga, and run a large mono screen on it. >>That said, it is somehow what I expected to come from Commodore as their >>Unix box. Previous incarnations of Amix have appeared to be more "matched" >>to the machine, but that work seems to have been discarded.... >I don't know what that means. Real early versions, back in the days of AMIX, >used Rico's window manager. But that was because there was no graphics >standard for SVr3.2, and we intended that the machine do graphics things. >It would be foolish to provide a standard OS, SVr4, and require posts to adopt >some alien graphics standard. That's the current problem with Apple UNIX -- >Apple wants UNIX ports to use the Mac graphics toolbox rather than any standard >UNIX display manager. C= decided to do a modern UNIX. The difference is, >UNIX people might be attracted to UNIX on the A3000. On the Mac, Mac users >might get attracted to UNIX, but you're not going to have people who know UNIX >attracted to AU/X. Yes, but the supplied X server could make an effort to use the Amiga chippery rather than work in mono. Like I said, I'm waiting for 2.0 Amiga Unix, because I hear you guys are working on the server to get it's smarts up a bit. I'm a Unix person, born and bred, and I found the A3000UX disappointing. I don't like the Mac A/UX much for the reasons you mention, but at least you don't feel that you are only getting 10% of what the video hardware is capable of. BTW, are Commodore looking at adding Motif to the SVR4 as standard... >-- >Dave Haynie Commodore-Amiga (Amiga 3000) "The Crew That Never Rests" > {uunet|pyramid|rutgers}!cbmvax!daveh PLINK: hazy BIX: hazy > "This is my mistake. Let me make it good." -R.E.M. ========================================================================= dj@micromuse.co.uk | "I've seen the future, I can't afford it" - ABC | Voice +44-71-352-7774 Fax +44-71-351-7834 ---------------------+--------------------------------------------------- Non-standard Disclaimer : "I didn't do it, it wasn't me, I wasn't there" -- ========================================================================= dj@micromuse.co.uk | "I've seen the future, I can't afford it" - ABC | Voice +44-71-352-7774 Fax +44-71-351-7834