Xref: utzoo alt.religion.computers:2527 comp.windows.ms.programmer:3204 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!dali.cs.montana.edu!decwrl!pa.dec.com!bacchus!mwm From: mwm@pa.dec.com (Mike (My Watch Has Windows) Meyer) Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.ms.programmer Subject: Re: ap, Windows BASIC Message-ID: Date: 20 Jun 91 15:04:22 GMT References: <91169.084617F0O@psuvm.psu.edu> <4k4q47w164w@mantis.co.uk> <1991Jun20.034708.2816@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu> Sender: news@pa.dec.com (News) Organization: Missionaria Phonibalonica Lines: 47 In-Reply-To: rogerhef@matt.ksu.ksu.edu's message of Thu, 20 Jun 91 03:47:08 GMT In article <1991Jun20.034708.2816@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu> rogerhef@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Roger Heflin) writes: >> I like about the QB environment is when you press the F2 key, a window >> pops up with a list of all your procedures/functions. Click on the one >> you want to look at and bingo. Very nice. >My editor does that, for C, C++, Pascal, Modula-2, Clipper, or any other >language you care to tell it about. Yes your editor can do that with C,C++,Pascal, .... but you had to take time to set it up to work correctly, QB does that itself. You mean QB already understands C, C++, Pascal and ... ? That's impressive. If it doesn't, then at best it's at the same level, with one language it already understands. More likely it isn't up to that level, as it isn't going to be that usefull for multi-language projects. Of course, if I have to use QB commands (if it's one of the pain-in-the-ass mouse/function key editors, forget it) and can't configure it to my habits, then it's going to be an incredible pain to use. Given the choice, I'd rather teach an editor I know about a new language than teach an editor I don't know how to look like an editor I do know. Is QB one of those awfull "integrated environments" so loved on mono-tasking environments? In general, they're just a pain, but better than the alternatives. I much prefer the system I've got, where the editor/compiler/debugger all run as seperate tasks and commmunicate with each other via IPC. That way, I can use any editor I want, and not have to worry about what other people are doing. Does your editor also do full debugging? QB's debugger surpasses any debugger I have found on any Unix machine on relibility and usability. That's not saying very much. I have never had a QB program 'coredump'. It is a considerably safer programming enviroment compared to C or C++. Neither is that.