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From: mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (Mamdouh Maher)
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Subject: Re: Ahadith dilemma: # of prayers/day
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Date: 17 Jun 91 13:39:05 GMT
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In article <1991Jun11.182631.27989@wpi.WPI.EDU> jle@locus.com (John Elghani/10000000) writes:
>In article <1991Jun10.020106.17010@wpi.WPI.EDU> mmdh@cbnewsf.cb.att.com (mazen.mokhtar) writes:
>>Assalamy `alaykum,
>>  Therefore 'Ya Ali' is calling upon Allah. It is used by all groups
>	^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>		WRONG

  Thank you for subtely pointing out your disagreement.

>
>I have asked our sheat brothers in regards, the answar was ---> ya ali
>means, ya ali bin aby talib.   One kuwaity sheat brother always 
>critisized his parents for stressing on Ali more that Muhammad (pbuh).

  The Shi`as may use the expression to call on `Ali Bin Abi Talib,
I was not aware of that. However, the expression is still widely used
to call on Allah by people who give `Ali no significance beyond
that given to him by the Messenger (PBUH). If you listen carefully
to the prayer (du`a') at the end of the Friday khutba (similar to a
sermon), sometimes you will hear:

  "Ya Rahman, ya Raheem. Ya Hannaan, ya Mannan. Ya `Ali, ya `Aziz,
ya Qadeer."                                     -------

  All these call upon Allah. The sequence the Imam uses won't
necessarily be the same as the one above, but you get the idea.

  If I am mistaken, I would like to be corrected.
 
  Mamdouh Maher