Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!agate!forney.berkeley.edu!jbuck From: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: tenure track faculty position Keywords: greedy people Message-ID: <1991Jun25.023839.15297@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 25 Jun 91 02:38:39 GMT References: <91168.172101FC137501@ysub.ysu.edu> <1991Jun20.040659.833@gtephx.UUCP> <1991Jun25.011010.22527@vlsi.waterloo.edu> Sender: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu (USENET Administrator) Reply-To: jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) Organization: University of California, Berkeley Lines: 37 In article <1991Jun25.011010.22527@vlsi.waterloo.edu>, ward@vlsi.waterloo.edu (Paul Ward) writes: |> Well it's nice to know that people have such high motivation for a |> PhD. You know, I'm disgusted with this whole discussion. Did it ever |> occur to you that there is more to life than money? Did it ever occur |> to you that perhaps people might teach for the love of teaching? It certainly occurred to me. After all, I left a highly paid career in industry to become a full-time graduate student (modulo a consulting job or two in the summer). This was because something mattered more to me than money. !> No, it all comes down to money. So that's why the education system is so |> f*cked up today. All you smart-a*s*s insist on getting huge salaries. You're confused as to exactly who is being exploitative. Universities offering salaries to PhD's that don't compete with what folks with a BS are paid are being exploitative. To be fair, one can live for far less in Ohio (where the advertisement came from) than in Silicon Valley (where most of the complaints came from). Hell, the monthly mortgage payment on the average newly bought house in many parts of Ohio wouldn't pay the rent on a good studio apartment in Sunnyvale. Given this, the low salary isn't as pitiful as it seems. |> So the average school and university has to have below average |> instructors. Oh but don't you worry. No, you'll just send your kids |> to private school. Don't give a damn about the rest of the world. A certain number of people can make a certain amount of sacrifice, but in the end, if a society does not value education by paying its teachers competitively, (and the US does not) its children will suffer. Followups should probably go somewhere else; soc.college, maybe. -- Joe Buck jbuck@galileo.berkeley.edu {uunet,ucbvax}!galileo.berkeley.edu!jbuck