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From: jimp@cognos.UUCP (Jim Patterson)
Newsgroups: comp.sources.wanted,comp.editors,comp.emacs
Subject: Re: SUMMARY: Super-simple UNIX editor
Message-ID: <9754@cognos.UUCP>
Date: 21 Jun 91 14:45:38 GMT
References: <1991Jun18.065340.25187@yenta.alb.nm.us> <17174@darkstar.ucsc.edu> <1991Jun21.012239.4994@cbfsb.att.com> <1991Jun21.040309.26255@leland.Stanford.EDU>
Reply-To: jimp@cognos.UUCP (Jim Patterson)
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In article <1991Jun21.040309.26255@leland.Stanford.EDU> fangchin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chin Fang) writes:
>In article <1991Jun21.012239.4994@cbfsb.att.com>, Dan_Jacobson@ATT.COM writes:
>|> >>>>> On 20 Jun 91 03:26:55 GMT, fangchin@leland.Stanford.EDU (Chin Fang) said:
>|> Chin> Conclusions: Don't depend anything big and requires root
>|> Chin> privilage to install.  => super simplity/smallness is MUST => NO
>|> Chin> FSF GNU emacs.
>|> 
>|> You don't need to be root to install and edit things with GNU Emacs.
>                                            ^^^^^^^^^^^

>Hmmm... I never said that one needed root privilage to "edit" things with emacs.
>You misunderstood me post.

>As a SA myself, I said "installing emacs requires root privilage" with the
>following understanding:

>Whenever BIG disk space is required, root privilage (at least stuff or source
>privilage) is required.
>May I ask you, can anyone at your site write to /usr/local

Yes

>               can everyone at your site have more than 20 megs disk quota?

Yes

We don't bother with disk quotas at our site. I know this isn't a feasible
approach at many educational sites, but it works quite well in a software
development environment.

Your site seems to have two classes of users:
 - Those with 4MByte disk quotas
 - Those with root privilege

All you're really saying is that you need lots of disk space. If your
operations group can't give someone some additional disk quota without
just giving them root privilege, I think you have a serious organizational
problem. 

Granted you will likely have to "justify" your request, but the basic
problem is one of economics (you can't afford unlimited disk space).
I'd also suggest that it is (or should be) a lot easier to justify 20
MBytes of disk space to your system manager than it is to justify root
privilege, since the latter is basically giving away the keys to the
store. Of course if you can convince your sysops to maintain emacs
for you, all the better.


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