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From: learn@ddsw1.MCS.COM (William Vajk)
Subject: Re: Student suspended for distributing /etc/passwd
Message-ID: <1991Jun22.232427.4643@ddsw1.MCS.COM>
Organization: Dares No Organization Like Dis Organization
References: <1991Jun18.035216.7555@athena.cs.uga.edu> <0aNq42w164w@cellar.UUCP> <1991Jun18.160449.17528@milton.u.washington.edu>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 91 23:24:27 GMT
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gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu (Just another theatre geek.....) writes:

>In article <0aNq42w164w@cellar.UUCP> rogue@cellar.UUCP (Rache McGregor) writes:

!!This is the second time you have made the statement "suspended for aiding a 
!!series of break-ins in progress."  Yet when we ask you about the alleged 
!!cracker making the break-ins, you say that you can reveal nothing because an 
!!investigation is in progress.

!!You have already tried, convicted, and sentenced a student in a court of 
!!academic justice for aiding someone who apparently has not been charged by 
!!any academic or state judicial system.

>	Big deal.

>	Think about it.  Do the words "separate investigation", "plea
>bargain" or "separate jurisdiction" mean anything to you?

>	Jesus, folks....use some common sense.....

Don't be so quick, Roger Tang. You've apparently missed the obvious.

There must be a trail of evidence. The student in question stands convicted
of a "crime" which has not been proven.

	1)  there must be a crime.

	2)  now you procede to case #2 which is aiding and abetting
	    by sending the file.

McGregor has just demonstrated that according to the information available
to us, step #1 hasn't happened. The validity of step 2 is seriously in
doubt till the first step is established.

Brings back into focus the problems associated with Darden, Riggs, and Grant,
who made a very serious tactical error of pleading guilty before the Neidirf
trial. 

>Roger Tang, gwangung@milton.u.washington.edu
>Middle-class weenie, art nerd and all-around evil nasty spermchucker

I am not amused.

Bill Vajk