Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!usc!wuarchive!psuvax1!hsdndev!cs!cs.umb.edu!ryan From: ryan@ra.cs.umb.edu (Daniel R. Guilderson) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: Repost from Telecom Message-ID: Date: 26 Jun 91 02:52:25 GMT References: <91174.131736ELE@psuvm.psu.edu> <1991Jun24.194821.5299@agate.berkeley.edu> <1991Jun25.005151.27279@looking.on.ca> <1991Jun25.122028.7528@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG> Sender: news@cs.umb.edu (netnews) Organization: UMass Boston Dorchester, MA USA Lines: 26 In-Reply-To: allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG's message of 25 Jun 91 12:20:28 GMT Nntp-Posting-Host: ra.cs.umb.edu In article <1991Jun25.122028.7528@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG> allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG (Allen Gwinn) writes: This is true. However, all but one of the "raids" and incidents that Bill talked about was directly involved with the Len Rose investigation. This includes the raids on AT&T, Southwestern Bell and the consultant in Austin in which people's jobs were compromised and equipment seized. These things were not unrelated. Len had something to do with every site/person affected. Now I'll grant you that there were others that were not directly related, but Len has caused a lot of people alot of trouble. And the fact that he's going to spend a year in prison is probably a good thing. So if I kill my girlfriend and throw her body into a dumpster and the cops figure out it was me that did it, I can simply say Len Rose caused me to do it. They'll have to let me go right away. It's so logical. If Len hadn't sent login.c to Neidorf I wouldn't have lost my mind and stabbed my baby 100 times. Hell, if the feds can blame Len for the rape of innocent citizens, I can too. Sorry to sound so callous, but Len is a criminal and should be treated like one. Sorry to sound so callous, but you don't have a clue about action and responsibility. I hope you never illegally copied any copyrighted software, or stole a penny candy, or ... If you did, maybe you could use some "therapy" (Hi PAT) in the penitentary.