Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!vela!sycom!rkushner From: rkushner@sycom.UUCP (Ronald Kushner) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: YOU PEOPLE HAD BETTER GET WIT THE PROGRAM!! (Was: Re: Commodore Business Machines) Message-ID: Date: 24 Jun 91 18:47:39 GMT References: <7471@vela.acs.oakland.edu$ <4190@ux.acs.umn.edu><113@ryptyde.UUCP> Organization: Michigan Information eXchange Lines: 49 dant@ryptyde.UUCP (Daniel Tracy) writes: >has developed attitudes about a platform he knows nothing about. The thing >that fascinates me is how, getting on this board, I get the impression that >Amiga users hate Macintosh's even more than IBMs! Interesting. Is it >generally accepted, at least, that Macintosh machines are generally >"superior" to their IBM counterparts? Is it just that Apple succeeded in >establishing a second standard where Commodore's weak marketing couldn't? Personally I don't hate Mac's, I really do think those IBM compatibles make good doorstops though...And Seagate hard drives make good paperweights... Apple has had alot of different attitudes, one of them was to sue themselves into superiority, another was to make money on every computer they sell.. But they have major internal disfunctions it would seem, spending alot of money, and getting not that much new. They have no modern UNIX, no pre-emptive multi-tasking, etc, but they do have the other goodies like high density drives and 24 bit color that Commodore has not delivered on....To be fair, Commodore doesn't make as much money per unit as Apple does, so Apple SHOULD be better, SHOULD have a real UNIX, should have pre-emptive multi-tasking, but comes up short in compairson over the whole range of units sold..The Hardware is only as good as the operating system...When you start getting 68040 Macs, they SHOULD be as powerful as some small mainframes, but will lack real substance in the lowest levels of the OS..And without Unix, you're going to use the native enviroment...As more "power" users come out of the computer explosion of the '80s, they might be cold to the Mac if they look at it from an objective standpoint. Thats why they advertise so much... I would agree with the Mac ads that say they will eat a 386sx for lunch... And I would own a Mac if the Amiga didn't exist when I finally was able to afford it...But I would have had to wait until 1987 or so to get the color I wanted...I got my Amiga in 1985 when everyone was buying ugly IBM Compatibles...Glad I did too, I have been able to upgrade my computer every 3 years thanks to Commodore's trade up programs, which with the Mac I probably would have been stuck in the first one I bought...and I was happy until 1990 with my A2000, because it still outperformed the original Mac II's I looked at.. Anyways, Apple is 5th in the computer industry, and Commodore is 29th. For being 29th, Commodore does quite a good job with design, manafacturing, and delivery, they just can't advertise like #5 can...Apple made thier inroads in Education - not marketing, and thats the route Commodore should take... -- C-UseNet V0.42e Ronald Kushner Life in Hell BBS +1 (313) 939-6666 P.O. Box 353 14400 USR HST V.42 & V.42bis Sterling Heights, MI 48311-0353 Complete Amiga Support UUCP: uunet!umich!vela!sycom!rkushner (We are not satanic, just NUTS!) DETROIT - Were guns outnumber people!