Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!wuarchive!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!lmbailey From: lmbailey@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Laurana Bailey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Commodore Business Machines Message-ID: <7514@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Date: 25 Jun 91 21:58:34 GMT References: <7471@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Distribution: world Organization: Lemming-Aid 1992 - Benefit Concert To Save The Lemmings Lines: 97 In article rkushner@sycom.UUCP (Ronald Kushner) writes: | lmbailey@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Laurana Bailey) writes: | >To me, this says that something just isn't right down at the blue and | >red. Al cited the fact that at the dealer's conference that was held | >when Copperman first arrived more advertising, a virtual blitz they | >were told, was about to be launched. TV, Print, Radio. The works. | >Everyone was excited and went home to wait and watch. Alas, there were | >many market areas virtually untouched by this "Blitz". Al's area, and | >even here in the Metro Detroit area, saw little, if any, of the ads | >and then they were usually on around 1 or 2 A.M. when most of the | >world was asleep. | | HA! Bullshit! If I had every dollar that Commodore spent advertising in | Detroit on WXYZ, WKBD, and Preview Guide in 1989, I would guarantee you that | I probably would have quarter of a million dollars by now....They ran ads | every day for TWO months on Detroit's top rated, top dollar news(5PM-7PM | Action News, WXYZ). They ran ads on FOX television(WKBD TV50, Detroit) during | the Simpsons, they ran ads in the Detroit Free Press in the business sections | (third page, with ALL dealers listed that mattered), and they also advertised | on Preview Guide quite a bit....At least 3 times a day... I watch television quite a bit and I rarely ever saw anything near prime-time in terms of advertising from Commodore. The Preview Guide? Big deal. Who sits around and watches the preview guide? Combine that with the fact that I don't have cable and that not everyone else does either and you see a large chunk of wasted advertising. I never once saw a single Commodore ad during the Simpsons and I am an avid Simpsons follower. I saw ONE ad in the Free Press. One. It was a good one, but it was one. And where is all that wonderful advertising now? WHEN was the last time you saw even the horrorible Stevie commercials? The dealers were told that this would be a CONTINUING advertising campaign. So where is it? It isn't there. | | Don't twist things because someone else (Les and Al) is. I'll bet Archie at | MicroWorld would tear Commodore down and burn them as well, because he never | paid for parts for the longest time and Commodore doesn't keep dealers that | don't pay the bills.... I share the same viewpoints as Les and I have talked with Al. Al has kept up with his payments for the things he's ordered. Al's stores are not MicroWorlds and while I agree that MicroWorld is guilty of bad business, Al's store isn't. It is also very hard to pay one's bills when the machine one is trying to sell just is NOT selling. Go into Slipped Disk and ask how sales are. Generally they will tell you they're not that great. At least thats what they've been telling me. | | You have to be OBJECTIVE when you want to consider if the Amiga is good or | not. You can not have birdies telling you things and give them MORE crediblity | than the facts...If you don't like the Amiga and really believe its going down | the tubs, TAKE DOWN THE BBS, SELL THE EQUIPMENT, and get it behind you before | its worthless...Get yourself a 586sx with your $100 VGA board and be | happy..But someone that gripes all the time is never happy..I know, I WAS IN | THE SERVICE BUSINESS for awhile.... First, I pointed out that I LIKE the machine and am happy with THE MACHINE. Re-read my post and it should be clear to you. I never complained about what the MACHINE had or didn't have. As long as there are things available for it I will continue to use it. What I am NOT happy with is CBM. They are a disaster at marketing and managing the Amiga and EVERYONE knows it. You may recall an article in FORBES magazine that stated the same thing. I watch several shows on satelite tv dealing with stocks. Everytime I hear Commodore mentioned I also hear things like: "Nice product, but the company is floundering in getting it marketed to the masses. No stability." Most often I have heard folks advising AGAINST purchass of CBM stock. NOT because it doesn't have a good product, but because they don't know what the hell to do with it. Second, I never claimed any of this to be OBJECTIVE. I'm not a news reporter, I am a consumer and like all consumers I shop by how I feel about things, not by trying to be objective about it. If computer buyers were objective people they would all realize what a MESS MS-DOS is and wouldn't BUY IBMs. Judging from the number of IBMers in the world I would have to say that there are a lot of SUBJECTIVE people out there. Your solution to the problem seems simple enough: "If you don't like the company then sell your machine and get an IBM and put it all behind you" Gee, that sounds an awful lot like what some people tell others who are complaining about the US Government. "If you don't like it, go back to your own damn country." Seems to me a lot of people with your attitude are running CBM and thats probably why they're doing such a cruddy job at it. Laurana -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ |Just another lemming... | Yet another Amiga maniac set loose | | | on the world...and you thought things| |lmbailey@vela.acs.oakland.edu | couldn't get any worse. |