Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!daemon From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! Message-ID: <30270@know.pws.bull.com> Date: 23 Jun 91 14:01:07 GMT Sender: daemon@pws.bulL.com Lines: 151 aa399@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Len Stys) writes: >I have just read the message posted by Thomas Hill, SysOp of the Commodore >SIG on the Cleveland Free-Net. Nice to see you here on the Atari UseNet SIG, Len. I'm afraid you've once again made the mistake of calling me the Sysop of the Commodore SIG on the Cleveland Free-Net. Let's hope this is the last time I have to say this... I am not the System Operator of the Commodore SIG on Cleveland Free-net. >There is no proof that Atari is doing bad anywhere. There is no proof that >anyone is switching over to Amiga and if there are some, I am sure the same >amount are switching to the ST. Even some members of your SIG in very high "positions" have asked me details on switching to the Amiga. I was asked to not print their names, so I won't. Since your an avid reader of the "computer forum", you should know that I always complain that people make statements without any proof. I'm a big believer in facts, and putting your money where your mouth is. Much of the source material for these statements comes from your very SIG. Exactly what statements don't you agree with? I have source material for everything down to the Atari music authors switching to the Amiga. I like to think that I never make a remark without the facts to back it up. Please try to do the same. >Thomas Hill is famous for attempting to "scare" Atari users into becomming >Amiga users, especially on the Cleveland Free-Net. I should know, I am the >Atari SIG Manager on the Cleveland Free-Net. This statement is uncalled for. I never try to "scare" people into buying an Amiga. I present the facts and allow you to make up your own mind. Again, most of the information I post simply came right from the MAC or Atari SIG. I do "try" to inform people. I believe that most people buy a computer with no real knowledge of how it compares to other systems. This is what I am trying to change. >There is no proof and frankly, I believe Tom just made up information on the >new Atari computers being a flop because he doesn't really know and would like >to think so. I can even give you remarks from Atari users in this very SIG to support that statement. And I never make up information. To do that would be a turn from the facts. The facts our that the Atari sales are slowing. The initial sales flow of the new machines was mainly due to Atari users upgrading. >Many claim, especially developers that the TT030 will be easier to develop >quality software on the TT than the Amiga. I'd like to wait and find out. I'd love to hear your facts to support this statement. The Amiga is well known for it's excellent library of support routines. I've always heard people say that the Amiga is a dream to program on. Never heard it the other way around. >After all, the TT030 hasn't even made it to the U.S. yet! It is at least >one-year newer than the Amiga 3000 and I'm sure Atari had enough time to >examine that of its competitors to bring you- a superior machine. Being released a year after the 3000 has nothing to do with it being a newer machine. This just enforces Atari's rap of showing products long before they are ready. Remember the big discussion we had about the new Atari computers? You liked to call them "totally new computers", while I made the point that they are simply the old machines with minor upgrades here and there. They still didn't offer better special chip ability than what the Amiga already had. These are repackaged machines, not totally new ones. I wish Atari would have released a totally new line from the ground up. It would have made the market competitive again and it probably was the only thing that could have saved them. >The Mega STe will be selling for $1400 with 55 meg hard drive, 2 megs of RAM, >LAN, etc. at an Atari Dealer in my home town. This is an amazing price >and I definitely do not see failure there. Not a bad price, but not the best price either. >Atari has had trouble manufacturing enough computers to compete properly. I find the recent remark on this curious. Atari has had trouble selling computers. What makes you think fixing a plant problem will increase sales? >And don't worry about ST computer users switching to Amigas on Free-Net. >They would be switching a computer that is supported by a SIG with a great >amount of information to a computer with a SIG that only has "my computer >is better than yours" messages throughout it. Len, once again your not exactly right. Len had tried to make it sound like this discussion has gone on in the Commodore Amiga Forum on Free-Net. Not so. A new section was set aside, called "The Computer Forum", for all computer users to discuss and compare the powers of their systems. This is not an Amiga board, not a Commodore board, but a board for the discussion of all computers. Saying that the Amiga SIG does not support it's users is a remark based in no fact. I know your SIG supports it's users. Never said it didn't. If you'll kindly read over a small list below of titles found in the Amiga SIG then I think we can clear up this small misunderstanding... From the Amiga Forum... First message is #17, last message is #239 R 216. USENET REPOST: Videography Magazine On Amiga R 217. Hands-on Toaster impressions R 218. COMDEX IN CLEVELAND? R 219. How about a "Programmers' Forum?" R 220. AmigaUUCP R 221. How to find Maple? => R 222. USENET REPOST: CDTV AT CES R 223. USENET REPOST: Fushion 68040 Board R 224. USENET REPOST: Ad For CDTV R 225. USENET REPOST: AMAX Compatibility R 226. USENET REPOST: CDTV In InfoWorld R 227. USENET REPOST: CDTV Reactions R 228. USENET REPOST: CDTV Titles R 229. USENET REPOST: Comeau C++ Review R 230. USENET REPOST: More On InfoWorld And CDTV R 231. USENET REPOST: More CDTV News R 232. USENET REPOST: IEEE Spectrum Magazine On 3000UX R 233. USENET REPOST: Amiga Spotted On Home Show => R 234. USENET REPOST: CDTV Spotted On CNN R 235. USENET REPOST: USER GROUPS- DEMO CDTV OFFER! R 236. USENET REPOST: CDTV Upgrade News R 237. USENET REPOST: Commodore SemiConductor In News R 238. NOTICE TO NEW USERS OF THIS SIG!!! R 239. Prodigy From the Amiga Q & A Forum... R 24. Re: Amiga 500 as IBM compat. R 25. Re: bad sprites ?? R 26. Re: Amiga hard drives................ R 27. Re: IFF->MAC converter, anyone? R 28. Re: Amiga hard drives................ R 29. Re: Amiga 500 as IBM compat. => R 30. Fonts (Hebrew) R 31. Video Inteference R 32. A1000 keyboard R 33. Amiga 1000 & the printer port R 34. Software via FTP. R 35. Re: Software via FTP. R 36. Re: Amiga 1000 & the printer port R 37. New A3000 R 38. VT220 emulator R 39. Re: New A3000 R 40. Re: VT220 emulator R 41. Alegra Upgrade => R 42. Amiga Basic: suggestions wanted on how to learn it As you can see, no messages about "my computer being better than yours". In the computer forum there are a fair number of pro-Atari and IBM messages as well as Amiga messages. Tom