Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!know!daemon From: ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: Atari-To-Amiga Convert Info Source! Message-ID: <30289@know.pws.bull.com> Date: 24 Jun 91 22:22:22 GMT Sender: daemon@pws.bulL.com Lines: 133 darling@cellar.UUCP (Darling) writes: %ai065@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Thomas Hill) writes: > Even Atari's best feature, > good MIDI software, is weakening as several of those authors port their > software to the Amiga. %Ever met a professional producer, Tom? We use the best programs available on %any computer: C-Lab's CREATOR/NOTATOR for sequencing, Digidesign's ATARI %SOUND TOOLS for digital audio recording/editing, and POLYFRAME for patch %editing. None, I repeat, NONE of these have been ported to the Amiga. And %unless future Amiga machines clean up the severe MIDI timing problems they've %got now, they never will be. In all my reading and experience with the Amiga, I have yet to hear one complaint about "severe MIDI timing problems". Care to back that up with some source material? Also, please re-read what I just wrote, as you seem to have taken it out of context. "Even Atari's best feature, good MIDI software, is weakening as several of those authors port their software to the Amiga." Did I mention any of the above titles? The answer is no, but I can promise you that I always deal in facts. After all, facts are what made me pick the Amiga over the ST and any other computer in it's price range. Here are a few quotes from the January 1991 issue of Amiga User International- "In 1985 Steinberg introduced an Atari sequencer called the Pro24. It was good, well ahead of it's time in some respects, and tt's dit rapidly gained professional acceptance." "The fact that Steinberg have released a Pro24 version on the Amiga is significant in several respects not least in that it indicates that Steinberg are now prepared to take the Commodore Amiga music market seriously. Make no mistake...the Amiga, from a technical viewpoint, can run rings around the ST but because of the lack of music software many musicians had, until fairly recently, been wondering whether professionally useable packages would ever arrive." "The Amiga version of the Pro24 is not a direct port of the original program- it's a complete re-write. The aim was nevertheless to produce an enhanced look-a-like, as opposed to an identical one, and this is something which has clearly been achieved." "With Pro24 Amiga all of this is taken one stage further because the program runs in the standard multi-tasking environment. Whereas machines like the ST are struggling to provide the sort of environment in which several programs can run simultaneously..." It goes on to say many nice things about the program. Anyway, beyond this there are several other Atari software vendors ported their MIDI software to the Amiga. Some of these (even titles you mentioned) are still in the rumor stage. > On the other hand, Amiga sales are higher than ever. %Bzzzt! Commodore just posted its worst figures in 4 years. Oh really? I'd love to hear where you got that information. I can post recent figures from the source that say we've just had one of the best years. Care for them? > If you need any advice on file conversion, > where to buy Amiga-related hardware for the best price, information on the > Atari ST emulators out for the Amiga, or have any other questions related to %I'll save you the time, Tom. Amiga ST emulators blow. They're all slow, %buggy, and none, I say again NONE, work properly with any MIDI software %whatsoever. Makes ME want to rush out and buy one, so I can play 32-million- %coloured games instead of all that WORK I'm getting done now. As typed in from the Feb issue of Amiga World, page 109: BrainSTorm It had to happen and here it is! The MAST ATARI Emulator! Make your Atari friends envious - now your Amiga emulates yet another computer, this time the Atari. BrainSTorm is a software/hardware combination from MAST Germany that runs 98% of Atari software (approx.), including MIDI support. It even emulates the Atari keyboard click! All programs should run except the very small percentage that do direct DMA or program the MFP. It supports: * 8mb Fast RAM, 2mb chip ram * all ST resolutions including color * full page monitor emulation with scrolling * Amiga serial & parallel ports * all Amiga drives (df0-df3) simultaneously * two ST's at same time in one Amiga! * almost ST speed, text is 120% faster, disk 108% * hardware emulates the ST custom chips, has sockets for Atari ROMS, and does addr. translation * Atari PD support on our BBS Price is $99 Call MAST at (702) 359-0444 [END OF FILE] Other ST emulators, some in total software, exist for the Amiga also. > I have received several requests for > information to smooth the conversion from the Atari to the Amiga. I do this as > a service to fellow computer users. %You noble soul! The self-sacrifice! In turn, I offer to help YOU smooth the %conversion of your lips from their present location to my sweaty posterior. %I do this as a service! This kind of talk leads nowhere and isn't productive to the conversation. If you want to talk facts then I suggest you stay on the topic. I won't respond to such remarks as they have nothing to do with the exchange of facts. Please try to do the same. %Tom, I haven't read such a heap of bunk it a long time. If you're frustrated %that your computer isn't being used in any professional environment, fine. %But don't come over here and shovel propaganda and outright false statements %in an effort to get others to join you in your malcontence. Grow up. A "my %computer is better" rant under any other name smells equally bad, no matter %how you may attempt to dress it up. You insult me and then tell me to grow up? I am willing to ignore attacks by insecure users in order to help those who need the kind of information I am providing. So far I have received mail from well over ten Atari users who need help in converting to the Amiga. This makes it worth cutting through your kind of message. If your not interested in leaving your ST for the Amiga then I'm glad to hear it, but don't make things rough for those who want to. Tom