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From: gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn)
Subject: Re: MPW Bugs and other complaints
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Date: 22 Jun 91 07:24:09 GMT
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In article <1991Jun21.233510.1859@verity.com> 
           anders@verity.com (Anders Wallgren) writes:
> In article <1991Jun20.182817.2292@techbook.com>, 
             larryh@techbook (Larry Hutchison) writes:
> >
> >	Gee, I wish Apple would fix the bugs in their darn compilers.
> >	Further, I wish they would not release "final" versions containing
> >	known outstanding code generation bugs.  Even yet further, I wish
> >	that COMPLETE bug lists were readily available.
> >
> 
> As someone who has been using the MPW compilers for the last three
> years (OK, so I'm not a _complete_ veteran, but nonetheless...), I
> sympathize with you, but believe me, things are much better now than
> they were before, both in terms of product quality and product
> management's attitude towards the whole thing (at least they own the
> source to the C compiler now - I understand that wasn't the case for
> pre-3.0 - Gold Hills rings a bell).
> 
> I, for one, am grateful that the MPW team is speeding up their release
> cycles a bit, both in terms of when final versions ship and when early
> versions are available to those who want/need them.  ETO was a _great_
> idea - laurels to whoever came up with the idea.

for the initial posting:
While I can also wish for the day when people are perfect and products are  
shipped with no software bugs, I'd say the MPW team (of late) has been doing an  
awfully good job.  You've got a CD-ROM with a few hundred megabytes of stuff on  
it, and there's only a few things that you can find to complain about.  If you  
can write as massive a set of applications with as short a list of mixups, I'll  
be impressed.  Until then, ease up a bit.

I'd also like to echo the comments of Anders.  It took me quite awhile to  
convince myself to spend the money for ETO, but now that I've done that I must  
admit that it is a really nice way to handle the distributions of all these  
products.

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Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA