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From: anders@verity.com (Anders Wallgren)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: MPW 3.3
Message-ID: <1991Jun24.214407.26162@verity.com>
Date: 24 Jun 91 21:44:07 GMT
References: <1991Jun24.184048.4050@waikato.ac.nz> <1991Jun24.190210.15044@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
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In-Reply-To: ml27192@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Mark Lanett)

In article <1991Jun24.190210.15044@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>, ml27192@uxa (Mark Lanett) writes:
>*	For the people working on the linker to talk to those working on the
>C++ compiler, because CFront quite often fails to generate all the Object
>Pascal strcture the linker needs. Then when the linker fails you have no clue
>as to which direction to proceed to solve the problem. What do you do about a
>"module _CLIVEEDIT missing" error?
>

Could you be more specific?  I've never seen the problem you mention.
Perhaps you are not using compatible versions of the Linker and
CFront?

>When THINK releases a C++ compiler we are dumping MPW. We don't have the time
>or funds to debug Apple's tools. For the moment we're getting ETO. It's also
>ridiculous to have to pay to get beta software (we're Partners), but it seems
>to be the only way to get updates, in the hope that one might solve some
>problems.

God how I love statements like these!  Not only is it
self-contradictory, but also wrong!  "We don't want buggy software, we
don't want to pay for beta code, we want the pristine released version
yesterday."  It seems to me like you are being just a little bit too
demanding - if you don't want buggy code, don't get the beta versions.
If you don't want to pay for beta code, wait for the release.
Besides, what you're paying for is to get the early versions _and_ the
released versions, since they are included on the CD as soon as the
product is released.

I for one am pleased as punch about Apple's willingness to provide
early versions of their development products.  Doing it on a demand
basis (as opposed to a select few) _and_ supporting it isn't cheap and
that probably has a lot to do with why they charge money for it (along
with the fact that you get the released versions as well).  It seems
to me that your real beef is with THINK since they are behind the
market by not providing tools like C++ to their customers.


anders