Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!sdd.hp.com!caen!kuhub.cc.ukans.edu!archerb From: archerb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix Subject: Re: Ultrix 4.2 Message-ID: <1991Jun25.095532.31676@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu> Date: 25 Jun 91 14:55:32 GMT References: <1991Jun20.234113.12858@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <1991Jun25.122442.12089@crl.dec.com> Organization: University of Kansas Academic Computing Services Lines: 72 In article <1991Jun25.122442.12089@crl.dec.com>, jg@crl.dec.com (Jim Gettys) writes: > In article , trost@reed.edu writes: >> >> What is this anal retentive wish to build the MIT server anyway?? >> DEC's servers are faster, more reliable, and supported!!!! >> >> 1) Because I'd rather run X, and not this "DECWindows" thing somebody >> dreamed up. Occassionally we play with DECWindows a bit when we >> install a new release of Ultrix. The server under Ultrix 4.0 was >> either painting or scrolling both xterms and emacses improperly, >> and every once in a while a moved window would leave behind an >> immovable region. Sorta sounds like a violation of the spec to >> me.... >> >> (I'd be interested to hear what people know about this problem, by >> the way) > > DECwindows is only a name for the whole pile of software we provide, > all based on X. > > What does running our X server have to do with DECwindows? You can run > any/all or none of the applications we provide as you choose... You seem > to be tying together things that are by design independent. > > 4.2 finally has R4 clients for the MIT apps; the stuff before was antique R3 > clients with plenty of MIT bugs... I suspect that is what you were seeing > with xterm; I never had any problems with R4 clients. As to the "immovable regions"; > that sounds like an out and out server bug; did you report it? > >> I have had few problems with the DECwindows session manager, except that we bought a DECstation largely to run some NCSA programs that are X11R4 and which don't appear to like the Xtm/Xtm2d servers which aren't X11R4 yet. If the UWS 4.2 pre-release info mentioned that, then I missed it. I would *love* a version of the Xtm or Xtm2d servers that we could use. > > You don't need to run the DECwindows session manager if you don't want to. > If I can find someone at DEC that will tell me if the Ultrix DECwindows/Motif servers will support the PX/PXG cards at X11R4, then we'll just go ahead and get the developers kit. I figure they probaby do, but my boss would like to hear someone say it - the DECDriect folks are nice, but I doubt they have the answer without asking you either. :-) After the past week or so, I do have a much better idea of some of the issues involved in getting everything working. > I have no problems with running whatever you want; as I said before, I'll > try to get the new driver interface bits together later this week (probably > Friday); I'd like to confirm they still run under R4 (since they've been > integrated for release as part of R5), and won't have the spare time for > a few days. > - Jim Gettys > Digital Equipment Corporation > Cambridge Research Laboratory I'd be happy to alpha/beta test out here, if that would help. Otherwise, I'll look forward to seeing it when its released. Barry Archer, UMKC Network whosit archerb@gawain.umkc.edu ! Ultrix archerb@vax1.umkc.edu ! VMS archerb@sgi.bls.umkc.edu ! IRIX archerb@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu ! guest of KU (816)-235-1187 ! voice (816)-235-1717 ! FAX University of Missouri - Kansas City 5100 Rockhill Road CH-2 Kansas City, MO 64110