Xref: utzoo alt.religion.computers:2547 comp.windows.ms.programmer:3256 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!unix.cis.pitt.edu!dsinc!netnews.upenn.edu!king.mcs.drexel.edu!kblackne From: kblackne@mcs.drexel.edu (Ken Blackney) Newsgroups: alt.religion.computers,comp.windows.ms.programmer Subject: Re: ap, Windows BASIC Message-ID: <1991Jun22.152756.25499@mcs.drexel.edu> Date: 22 Jun 91 15:27:56 GMT References: <91169.084617F0O@psuvm.psu.edu> <4k4q47w164w@mantis.co.uk> < <1991Jun20.034708.2816@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu>> < > < <1991Jun21.002629.17528@maverick.ksu.ksu.edu>> <1991Jun22.040051.9290 Organization: Drexel University Lines: 52 Could you kids take this fight elsewhere? Your replies make heat, but no light. Some of us who are reading this list for useful information or to help others do not really care a whole lot about your preferences in editor key bindings. As a development language, BASIC may no have what you want. The Visual BASIC environment may not suit your needs. Fine. Tell us why then let it die. I bought Visual Basic on Monday. I returned it Saturday. I based my return decision on two factors: C++ is better suited to my development needs and the Visual Basic user interface violates my preferences (it violates sensible design guidelines). VB stars with a minimum of four windows on screen. One of these windows has a half-height caption bar with no identifing text and a very tiny system menu bitmap. These windows are _not_ enclosed in a larger window (that, is, it does not act like Word, Program Manager, or even Write). This thingg looks like no other apps I have seen for Windows. (This does happen a lot on the Macintosh, but that's another fight... :-) The windows of other applications show through between the VB windows. When you activate another application then click on a VB window, only that window comes forward; to bring the whole application to the front requires clicking in each open window. The "Window" menu shows names for each window. Choosing one of these items makes the window appear or hide. VB never shows a check mark next to those windows it is showing. Maybe Microsoft did this to convince the FTC that its applica- tions group is not only not talking to the system group, but not even reading the documentation they put out. (Dear Microsoft: Had anyone who worked on Visual Basic ever seen a commercial Windows application? Had they ever read the documentatio? And who is this "Cooper" company?) If anyone wants to reply, please consider whether you want to reply to me or to the list (and if me, reply to the address below, not the one this was posted from). Sorry for getting up on a semi-high-horse. Ken _______________________________________________________________________________ Ken Blackney Voice: (215) 895-1505 Senior Consultant Fax: (215) 895-1997 or 1724 Computing Resource Group Email: Ken_Blackney@DUPR.OCS.Drexel.EDU Office of Computing Services Drexel University, Philadelphia, PA 19104