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From: nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee Hinckley)
Newsgroups: comp.windows.x
Subject: Re: need information about XVT
Keywords: XVT x-development
Message-ID: <1991Jun24.195803.10980@alphalpha.com>
Date: 24 Jun 91 19:58:03 GMT
References: <1991Jun17.130007.16913@fwi.uva.nl> <1991Jun18.205101.28425@colorado.edu> <1991Jun19.173316.18566@alphalpha.com> <1991Jun21.183405.26015@colorado.edu>
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In article <1991Jun21.183405.26015@colorado.edu> thompsog@spot.Colorado.EDU (THOMPSON GEOFF) writes:
>operating system allow. You make a good point however. In fact, I will
>be presenting a talk at the upcoming XVT Conference this August which
XVT Conference?  When, where?

>will include the topic of "How to add an arbitrary motif widget to an
>XVT window."  It is my belief that any widget should be accessible,
>but the real question I need to explore is, just how hard will this
>be.  Now I'm not sure how much this would go to satisfy your point, but
>I do intend to answer the general question of creating a widget, putting
>it in an XVT window, and handling its related callbacks. I won't know the
>results for a while, since I wont be doing that work until next month.

My problem with XVT in this respect (I have other problems in other
respects :-) is not adding arbitrary widget children - but adding
widget parents.  XVT, like the PC toolkits it started on, has no
concept of geometry management.  Everything is based on an X/Y
coordinate system (many IDTs also have this flaw).  One of the
great thing about Motif (and most other Xt-based toolkits) is that
I can specify a very complex interface without ever once caring about
the size of fonts or other objects.  Everything can be layed out
in a relative manner.  If the user changes the font (or language!)
it doesn't matter - it just works.  However I am not aware of any
virtual toolkits which allow you to take one of those manager widgets
(Table comes to mind) and put their "virtual" widgets inside of it.

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