Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!news.cs.indiana.edu!att!cbnews!cbnews!military From: adam@ste.dyn.bae.co.uk (Adam Curtin) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: German F-4 variant Message-ID: <1991Jun25.022758.24547@cbnews.cb.att.com> Date: 25 Jun 91 02:27:58 GMT References: <1991Jun21.013542.12347@cbnews.cb.att.com> <1991Jun22.040435.12@cbnews.cb.att.com> Sender: military@cbnews.cb.att.com (william.a.thacker) Organization: British Aerospace (Dynamics), Stevenage Lines: 30 Approved: military@att.att.com From: Adam Curtin In article <1991Jun22.040435.12@cbnews.cb.att.com> ab3o+@andrew.cmu.edu (Allan Bourdius) writes: >>if the Germans *don't* have >>this Phantom-on-steroids available, isn't it about time they >>started thinking about acquiring reasonably up-to-date air- >>superiority fighters and/or interceptors? > >What about all their Tornados? As far as I know, they bought both the >strike and the interceptor variants. No, they only bought the IDS (Interdictor Strike). Only the British and Saudi air forces operate both variants, to the best of my knowledge. Italy, Jordan and West Germany bought the IDS only and Oman bought only the ADV. Although its performance in a turning fight surprised a lot of its critics, and the Phantom would mean some pretty powerful steroids to stay with it, the ADV is a long-range stand-off interceptor rather than a knife-range dogfighter like the F16. That's the role which the EFA is intended to fill. Although the EFA prototype will not fly for another year, it bears an uncanny relationship to the EAP developed by Eurofighter collaborators BAe, MBB and Aeritalia (as well as others), which in turn grew from the BAe Agile Combat Aircraft programme. The EAP technology demonstrator exceeded M1.1 on its first flight on August 8 1986. Adam -- You have just begun reading the sentence you have just finished reading.