Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: mib@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Michael I Bushnell) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Athanasian Creed Message-ID: Date: 24 Jun 91 05:08:36 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Free Software Foundation, Cambridge, MA Lines: 29 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article conan@sizzlean.berkeley.edu (David Cruz-Uribe) writes: > Athanasian Creed [Most of the creed deleted to save space.] >The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, > neither made nor created nor begotten > but proceeding. Is this the original formulation of Athanasius? If I read it correctly, it seems to say that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son, the traditional Western position. How does this impact on the long-standing (and IMHO not terribly important*) Filioque debate? As I understand it, the Athanasian creed was not written by Athanasius, but rather some time later. However, it certainly predates the mutual excommunications when the Orthodox accused Rome of adding the filioque. -mib [According to the Oxford Dictionary of the Christian Church, neither the author nor date is known. But it originated in the West, in Latin, in the 4th or 5th Cent. It has been used ocassionally in the East, but with the filioque deleted. I couldn't find whether the filioque was originally in the creed, or was added at the same time as it was added to the Nicene Creed. Certainly the Athanasian Creed does not have the same degree of universal assent that the Apostles' and Nicene creeds do. --clh]