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From: radams@cerritos.edu
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Subject: Re: Seven Stages of Life - Da Avabhasa
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Date: 25 Jun 91 16:41:46 GMT
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skumar@smdvx1.intel.com (s. Kumar) writes:

>Are you saying that I misunderstood Mr. John?? is that the case?, I am
>just saying that he is plainly deluded, just a glib talker. If you
>want to discuss this post anything by Mr. John and I'll analyse it.
>This s no great deed. Mr. John lacks humility completely, so is
>the case with bookish scholars. All the wise ones have said I can not
>give it to you, and this guy is blowing his trumpet that he is the
>greatest and also can make any body like him , what a charlatan??
>insight is insight, it does not belong to anybody. If it does it is 
>not insight.

I agree totally with the above.  Now, how can we tell the difference
between a true guru and a dime-store guru?  Let me try to respond to this
question.  A true guru does not blow his/her own horn and claim to be
able to enlighten you.  A guru can help, but we are already the Self so
nobody can make you as such since you are already the Self..  What the
guru _can_ do is help you get rid of the notion that you are somehow 
separate or separated from God (Self) and need to find God somewhere out
in heaven.  The Guru does not need to blow his/her own horn or brag
since he/she is a projection of your very own Self and is instantly
known by you as being such when you are ready for this kind of help.  
A true guru does not advertise on the back of breakfast cereal boxes
(although I'm not suggesting that Da has done so - but then I don't
eat cereals that often ;-) nor does a true guru say he is a great holy
BEING or Messenger or a living proof of something or other.  An illumined
master has no one to brag to since duality is non-existent in him/her.




	Roger Adams

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