Xref: utzoo comp.ai.philosophy:1066 comp.ai:9557 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!dev.sas.com!sasmjw From: sasmjw@dev.sas.com (Martyn Wheeler) Newsgroups: comp.ai.philosophy,comp.ai Subject: Re: Turing Test, what's the point? Keywords: AI, computers Message-ID: <9106261905.AA02183@hawkwind.dev.sas.com> Date: 26 Jun 91 19:05:07 GMT References: <612@ckgp.UUCP> Sender: daemon@ucbvax.BERKELEY.EDU Reply-To: sasmjw@dev.sas.com Organization: SAS Institute Inc. Cary NC Lines: 38 The formulation of the Turing Test had little to do with Turing's ability to predict computer technology. After all, all the test really does is to give an arbitrary subjective measure of the ability of one system to imitate another. If the observer cannot determine which is human and which is computer, who is to say that it is not the human who is successfully simulating the computer rather than the other way round? Is it perhaps even a test not of the computer and human subjects, but rather of the discriminatory abilities of the observer? What if the observer is in fact a computer trying to distinguish between two human subjects? The point of the Turing Test is surely that it provides a fixed starting point that could be used to anchor the field of computer intelligence when the science was (is?) young. Its value is not so much that it provides a test of intelligence itself, but that it leads to so many interesting questions. An actual Turing Test would be much more valuable to the meta-observer, who can examine the actual observer's behaviour as well as that of the two subjects, than to anyone directly involved in the experiment itself. The ability of a computer to "pass" the Turing Test is little more than a measure of a computer's ability to pass the Turing Test, and extending that to an assumption of intelligence is an unjustified leap of faith. Achieving a simulation of something is not the same as achieving the thing itself, and we deceive ourselves if we believe that by working towards a simulation we are necessarily making any progress towards the real thing. There are times in the real world, however, when a simulation is all that is required. In the fields of commercial Natural Language and Machine Translation, for example, it is not necessary to believe that one is duplicating a human, nor even should this be a goal -- an automated Chinese Room is quite sufficient for useful applications. Martyn ------------------------------------------------------------------------ sasmjw@dev.sas.com "If you spin, you deserve to die"--Mike Hawthorn (919) 677-8000 ext.7954 (SAS Institute, Inc., Cary, NC) (919) 839-0092 (h) (Raleigh, NC) Martyn Wheeler -- DoD #293