Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!qt.cs.utexas.edu!yale.edu!think.com!mintaka!ai-lab!rice-chex!mrsmith From: mrsmith@rice-chex.ai.mit.edu (Mr. P. H. Smith) Newsgroups: comp.music Subject: Re: MUSIC AND AI Message-ID: <16709@life.ai.mit.edu> Date: 28 Jun 91 02:48:10 GMT References: <25951@samsung.samsung.com> <11273@idunno.Princeton.EDU> Sender: news@ai.mit.edu Organization: MIT Artificial Intelligence Laboratory Lines: 67 As EH points out, listening is somewhat self-referential. But let's go farther and say it's completely self-referential; at this point listening does not require sound (as in "external" "objective" soundwaves). Or, more properly music (qua listening) does not require sound. Sound is not a necessary condition for music. Eliot, I must thank you for nudging my thinking in this direction, because you have now made it possible for me to solve a basic problem in the theory of music (no, not "what is it?"): What is the primary musical element, the "thing" without which we would have no music? What are the boundaries of music? (I must tell y'all why I am pleased to be able to eliminate sound as the necessary primary musical element -- it's really quite obvious: "SPUNKY CHEERLEADER IS DEAF-INITELY AMAZING" Pretty cheerleader Jennifer Jenkins stays in perfect step with her squad even though she can't hear the crowd rooting for her high school basketball team. Jennifer has been deaf since birth, and speaks only in sign language, but that doesn't stop the 16-year-old junior from leading cheers at Carman-Ainsworth High School near Flint, Michigan. 'And when they do dance routines, she's right in sync with them,' says her proud mom, Pam Jenkins. ... 'If the music is loud enough to vibrate the floor, I can feel it when I'm dancing,' the pert 5-ft.6-in. teen explains through a sign interpreter. ... 'Sometimes she'd be a tad off,' Pam says. 'But many times, she'd end right with the music. You just wouldn't know that she couldn't hear.'" -- The Globe, May 14, 1991, p. 21.) Now, there are many stories just like this one where deaf people enjoy music via some kind of 'vibration.' This vibration is arguably not sound. Moreover, there are musical experiences of listening that do not even involve feeling a vibration (e.g., composing). Music Mediates Mind.tm clearly can encompass such kind of musical experiences. That's why it's so charming. I would add that music requires, minimally, the emergence of a self-referential (i.e., referring to the listening self) musical value. This musical value can be any of quite a variety of values - dance, religion, purity, patriotism, abandon, peace, propriety, sound, silence, etc. I call this point of emergence of a musical value in the mind Punction.tm. (look it up). An excellent word because of it's relationship to terms such as 'punctus' (which, as a 'dot' or 'prick' metaphorically connotes the emergence of a positive musical value in the mind, regardless of whether the actual symbol represents a vocal sound, a rest, a glass breaking, or a felt vibration of no sonic quality whatever). Thus, it is apparent that musical value emerges in the mind - how banale! The only important thing about Punction.tm is that it allows musical research to include the experiences of a Jennifer Jenkins - and that it can provide an interesting foundational locus for Music Mediates Mind.tm. What a strange understanding of music can now emerge: a mental feedback system most commonly triggered by sounds, but not always. Punction: the emergence of a musical value in the mind. (Note that this is not tautological. Punction is not the musical value per se, but the point of its emergence.) Paul Smith mrsmith@ai.mit.edu [- not an ai guy.]