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From: learn@piroska.uchicago.edu (William  Vajk (igloo))
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Date: 26 Jun 91 14:18:05 GMT
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In article <1991Jun24.042434.3407@rice.edu> William R. Russell, Jr. writes:

>One might argue that Len Rose's activity brought "official" scrutiny on
>certain cmputing activites, which may have led to the investigation of
>the 911 service documents and subsequent connection to Loyd Blankenship,
>writer for SJG. But that is a very tenuous argument, which attempts to
>shift the blame from the Secret Service to Len Rose, who had nothing to
>do with it whatsoever.
 
One would be in error to make this argument. The chain of events began
when Len's then good friend, Rich Andrews, reported the presence of
the E-911 files at jolnet to the authorities. The trail led to Neidorf,
Darden, Riggs, and Grant.

During investigation of Neidorf's files Len's login.c was uncovered. While
the question of overly broad search in Neidorf's case has never been brought
up, given the scope of *every* other search and seizure, it is probably a
safe assumption that the U of Missouri search was overbroad. Records I have
in my posession (easily available to researchers) indicate that two nights
were spent investigating Neidorf on the university computers alone. 

Without a doubt, one command     grep 911 *    in Neidorf's directories
would have uncovered the only legally available reason to search Neidorf's
files.

There is little doubt in my mind that the US Secret Service performed an
overbroad search in Neidorf, and the results led to the Rose case and
all those spawnings.

And it was overbroad search and seizure in Rose which led to *some* of the
complaints Bill Kennedy voices against Rose.

With any luck at all, this is the extent of my response to the ravings of 
Kennedy. People can get caught up as the result of unilateral illegality.
Usually there's little to no problem with such matters, till we get a bunch
in Law Enforcement with less sense and soul than a dial tone contorting
government power on behalf of a mega-corp.

Bill Vajk