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From: bagchi@eecs.umich.edu (Ranjan Bagchi)
Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk
Subject: Re: CPSR vs. EFF
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Date: 26 Jun 91 23:44:29 GMT
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	My first impression is an extreme lack of originality.  From
my experience here at U of Mich, during the Gulf War, we had four
in-the-news Desert Storm groups.
 
	Going historically:

	Students Against US Intervention (SAUSI) : easily seen as
knee-jerk liberal response to foreign policy.  Candelight Vigils, Noon
Rallys on the Diag, the whole 60's activism with a sugar-coating
that's really pervalent here.

	Support Out Soldiers (SOS) : The Yellow-Ribboning Crowd.
Didn't officially sanction the war, focused on how the soldiers were
heros.   SAUSI claimed they were supporting the soldiers too, by
wanting them out of there, and even held rallies "Supporting Our
Soldiers" 

	Students United for Desert Storm (STUDS) : People who thought
the Gulf war was a truely great thing.  

	Anti-Imperialist Action Caucus (AIAC) : Actually, they might
have had another name, but this is enough.  So-called
marxist/lenninist/trotskyist folks who were kicked out of SAUSI for
generally disruptive behavior.  Tried to broaden the Agenda of SAUSI
to be the m/l/t one, and if you didn't agree, you were racist, sexist,
and homophobic(tm).  At least they had the decency not to do when the
same people did the same thing to ACT-UP, Ann Arbor, which called
_every_ anti-racist, anti-sexist, gay rights, etc. issue  an AIDS issue.
When they were kicked out, they claimed to be the one true ACT-UP, and
even held meetings at the same time, in almost the same place.
Nice,eh?
 
	Back to CPSR.  They're not even close to EFF, in usefulness or
even authority.  EFF seems to be trying to place itself as a group of
experts who can be seen as such and counter hacker-hysteria in
techno-illiterate courtrooms. 

	I'd rather not see CPSR get too big, just because it's not too
much of a stretch to see it get usurped by the PC types, managed to
get itself positioned against the EFF in issues like alleged
harassment, and that kinda stuff.
 
	-rj

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