Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!convex!texsun!letni!mic!sulaco!allen From: allen@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG (Allen Gwinn) Newsgroups: comp.org.eff.talk Subject: Re: Was Bill Kennedy Really Out Of Line? Message-ID: <1991Jun30.205913.11837@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG> Date: 30 Jun 91 20:59:13 GMT References: <1991Jun26.132906.3116@sulaco.Lonestar.ORG> Organization: sulaco Lines: 36 In article ryan@ra.cs.umb.edu (Daniel R. Guilderson) writes: >This whole discussion has to do with whether or not Len was >responsible for people being unfairly investigated and mistreated by >government agents. So why are you trying to change the subject? Ok, let's don't. There is nothing that anyone can do that justifies the mistreatment of innocent third-parties by government agents. However, that notwithstanding, had there been no Len Rose investigation, innocent third parties could not have been investigated as to their connection with Len Rose, could they? This, once again, is no excuse for the way people were treated by the Feds--simply a fact. >Let's assume for the purposes of this discussion that Len did >*something* against the law (I won't concede that whatever he did was >deserving of a year in prison). He plead guilty to several charges. I believe that this was done in conjunction with a plea bargain. Any idea of what the things that he plea-bargained away would have been worth? >Why lay it on Len? Why not Neidorf? Why not the guy who actually >snarfed E911? Whoever you finally decide to blame will not change the >fact that the government agents are solely responsible for their own >behaviour. If they mistreat people while making an investigation they >must be made to answer and not the person or persons they are >investigating. I agree. However, you and I both know what the chances are of making people in those positions answer for the wrongs they've done :-) -- Allen Gwinn (allen@sulaco.lonestar.org) "If SCO would like to use this server in one of their products they have to pay $100 for every copy they redistribute, cause I don't like this company and their braindamaged products." - Thomas Roell on The Santa Cruz Operation