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From: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
Subject: Re: <None>
Message-ID: <22717@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Date: 26 Jun 91 23:23:51 GMT
References: <1991Jun24.131045.4403@news.iastate.edu> <1991Jun24.150701.1686@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> <14248@pasteur.Berkeley.EDU> <1991Jun24.230638.7865@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <1991Jun26.122255.24634@wehi.dn.mu.oz>
Reply-To: andy@cbmvax.commodore.com (Andy Finkel)
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In article <1991Jun26.122255.24634@wehi.dn.mu.oz> baxter_a@wehi.dn.mu.oz writes:
>In article <1991Jun24.230638.7865@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu>, rjc@churchy.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes:
>The clipboard is buggier than a dingo in a shanty town. Just try using
>it in low memory conditions with CLIPS: assigned to a disk (better not
>make it your hard disk).

It has a bug in low memory, true.  The bug was fixed for 2.0.  Leaping
from one bug to a shanty town is a huge leap; perhaps you should use
a smaller dingo next time.

>It hasn't really. C= didn't write the parsing routines. Their _own_
>programs didn't support it.

The format for the clipboard is IFF.  C= has always made an IFF
code disk available through CATS (and I believe, as a Fish disk
as well)

For 2.0, we have included a new library (iffparse.library)
which should make it easier to use the clipboard.

>Crap.  The C= bits and pieces from the Fish disks are much greater than
>12 lines, and then you need to get the data into some sort of
>interchange format.

True;  but all Amiga graphics programs already contain the code
to do this conversion, as the standard Amiga interchange file
format is (surprise) the same format the clipboard expects.

>>   So we have concluded
>> 1) The Amiga clipboard.device is totally open in design and supports
>> the same amount of data that the Mac's does. (contrary to
>> Marc's uninformed statement that it supports ASCII only)
>
>It is used for ascii only. Name one graphics program that cuts to
>clipboard. (I'd really like to know).

If you go way back, the Graphicraft program from the early Amiga
days uses the clipboard.  In fact, several of the programs that
C-A paid for in the early days use the clipboard.  There are other
programs, of course.

>C= didn't support it. Writing for it is a _real_ pain.  Especially
>debugging, when there isn't anything to view your clips with.

It does take a bit of effort to learn to use any Amiga device.
FYI, if you ever looked at the files created in CLIPS: you
might realize that you can type or display those files, if you choose.
When spooled to disk they are just iff files, after all.

>Regards Alan

		andy
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