Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!sdd.hp.com!spool.mu.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!m.cs.uiuc.edu!vela!lmbailey From: lmbailey@vela.acs.oakland.edu (Laurana Bailey) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy Subject: Re: Commodore Business Machines Message-ID: <7592@vela.acs.oakland.edu> Date: 28 Jun 91 05:31:25 GMT References: <1109.2865f0a9@vger.nsu.edu> <7516@vela.acs.oakland.edu> <1128.2868758b@vger.nsu.edu> Organization: Lemming-Aid 1992 - Benefit Concert To Save The Lemmings Lines: 113 In article <1128.2868758b@vger.nsu.edu> manes@vger.nsu.edu ((Mark D. Manes), Norfolk State University) writes: [....bunch of previous stuff deleted...] | > | > I have seen a heck of a lot more Sony ads than I have CBM ads. I saw a | > Sony ad for their car CD players just today. I haven't seen a CBM ad | > since last November. (And I saw very few last november.) The big | > difference is that people know who Sony and HP are and they haven't | > ever heard of Amiga let alone Commodore. (Oddly enough the folks at | > the Oakland Press HAVE heard of Commodore, but mostly because we have | > a few Commodore Canada Filing cabinets. Complete with the little red | > and blue logos.) | | I would agree that most know about Sony, but I would not agree about | HP. The only thing people may know (and I am talking the general | public) is that HP makes printers. At least they can readily identify that HP makes printers. The people at the Oakland Press still think that Commodore still makes Filing Cabinets, not computers. | | Lets look at IBM. IBM was considered to be a giant in marketing. | How well have the PS/2 series done? They spend tons on advertising, | and yet most people buy clones. Why? Most home users buy clones. A lot of businesses have made the changes to the PS/2 series. You can see tons of them at work in Comerica Bank's Operations Center in Auburn Hills, MI. Other local companies to me have also started using them. Home users stick with the clones because they are cheaper. [....bunch more stuff deleted....] | > | > I didn't say that I thought I could do a better job. Perhaps I can't, | > but I know that there are other companies out there who probably | > could. When you compare how many IBM and Apple sales there are with | > what is comparatively an inferior machine as to how many Amiga sales | > there are with a better machine it should be obivious that somebody | > somewhere at CBM isn't doing the right things. | > | > I never offered any suggestions to what CBM SHOULD do. I don't claim | > to have any secret knowledge in that area. That's Marc's domain, not | > mine.. I merely said that CBM isn't doing anything to promote greater | > sales. Be it adding new features or even getting the beleaugered 2.0 | > ROMs out. Nothing that would enhance the Amiga's posture in the | > general market is being done and what little that is is small and | > isolated to specific regions of the country. | | You said Commodore is screwing up, and implied that if they released | 2.0, and put a ton of funds into advertising that their problems | (and yours) would be solved. Is this not saying that you could do | a better job?? No it isn't. I offered possible solutions, I didn't say they were the ANSWERs. In my opinion it would help, but I didn't claim to know it was the right thing to do. Just because someone suggests something to you on how to make your life easier (Buy a dishwasher) doesn't mean they're trying to run your life for you. Get real. | > | is little question there. However, they could help their dealers more | > | by providing better price protection and lower dealer prices on all of | > | the cpu's. It would even be a great help if Commodore would reduce | > | the number of reports required so that dealers can get to the business | > | of selling computers! | > | > Now YOU are the one offering suggestions. I agree. Those would all | > HELP and would MAKE SENSE, so why isn't CBM doing this? | | As someone that works at a dealership I am in a better position to | make suggestions, and certainly we have told Commodore our thoughts. I don't see how where you work should have any effect on your ability to offer opinions. I don't see why you being a dealer should make your ideas any better than the consumers. Come down off your cloud and get a clue on life. I work out in the field programming on UNIX boxes. How I WISH these people would buy A3000UXs, but they haven't even HEARD of an Amiga (What's an OMEGA?) let alone thought about using them. | | > | > | | > | It would not hurt Commodore's reputation any to pay to have some of | > | the major software packages ported to the Amiga. It would do the | > | Amiga community a great service if the problems between Commodore | > | and Borland were solved. I would love QuatroPro for the Amiga! | > | > Again, makes sense to me. So why aren't they doing this? | | They are! They funded the development of SuperBase Professional 4! SuperBase already had several databases out for the Amiga. What was to stop them from developing SuperBase Professional 4 on their own? Why didn't they put that money towards better known IBM applications like Lotus 1-2-3 or AutoCad or dBase IV? Lord knows I don't need them, but it would attract attention away from Big Blue. | | Perhaps I am just tired of the constant "Commodore screwed up" | postings. I am hypnotized... :-) Perhaps I am just tired of CBM screwing up. Laurana -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ |Just another lemming... | Yet another Amiga maniac set loose | | | on the world...and you thought things| |lmbailey@vela.acs.oakland.edu | couldn't get any worse. |