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From: rjc@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell)
Subject: Re: random thoughts on iconification
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 91 19:21:18 GMT
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In article <379@mohawk.cs.utexas.edu> bryan@cs.utexas.edu writes:
>Let's face it, if C= were inclined toward such things, they would long ago have
>adopted as standard a halfway-decent shell, and half a dozen other things.  Look
>how long it took just for that cheeseball MicroEmacs to show up on the
>distribution disks.  Without all the wonderful free utilities such as wIconify,
>Snap, PopUpMenu, etc. I'd find the Amiga user interface unbearably cumbersome
>(to say nothing of having to live without SKsh :-) ), with these utilities, it
>beats anything else I've ever used, for my purposes. 
>
>The problem is of course that the 512K default RAM size of the A500 rules all at
>C=, which is understandable.  All of these neat toys take up a fair amount of
>memory, so they won't be built in any time soon.  This shouldn't stand in the
>way, however, of choosing a standard set of these well-designed and well-written
>utilities and distributing them in place of a lot of the trash that currently
>comes on the distribution disks.

  Another problem with some of these programs is that they cause problems
with certain applictions. PopUpMenu GURU's the hell out of my system.
Even if I boot clean, load VLT, and use PopUpMenu I get GURU's galore.
I'd like to use PopUpMenu but it's too unreliable on my vanilla
system. Snap works fine. C='s shell is ok, but I think WShell
should be shipped with the OS just like Arexx was. Everyone has their
favorite utility. If C= shipped WShell, Sksh/CShell users would scream
and vice-versa. If Commodore shipped DeluxePaint with the OS, Digipaint
users would be mad. I tink the best solution is to give the user
coupons for free software and let him buy what he likes.


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