Xref: utzoo comp.sys.amiga.advocacy:4672 comp.sys.mac.system:7785 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!bonnie.concordia.ca!uunet!stanford.edu!neon.Stanford.EDU!ibis.Stanford.EDU!espie From: espie@ibis.Stanford.EDU (Marc Espie) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.system Subject: Re: De-macification of the Amiga (Re: The Amiga's Future) Message-ID: <1991Jun27.005059.11450@neon.Stanford.EDU> Date: 27 Jun 91 00:50:59 GMT References: <1991Jun25.160016.10433@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> <1991Jun26.200208.25581@zardoz.eng.ohio-state.edu> <1991Jun26.230459.19455@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> Sender: news@neon.Stanford.EDU (USENET News System) Organization: LIENS, ENS, 45 rue d'Ulm, Paris (France) Lines: 57 In article <1991Jun26.230459.19455@mintaka.lcs.mit.edu> rjc@geech.gnu.ai.mit.edu (Ray Cromwell) writes: [Lots of stuff edited to save bandwidth] > I guess if you're used to the Mac it might be less obvious, but what's to >figure out? If you start up an App that opens its own screen and you >want to get back to workbench you just press the front/back gadgets at >the top of the screen to flip screens. The same thing happens with windows >that open to the full size of the screeen. If you want to see what's behind >them you click on the gadget to send the screen to the back. > and in article <1991Jun26.200208.25581@zardoz.eng.ohio-state.edu> gaynor@agvax2.ag.ohio-state.edu writes: >>However, the screens aren't quite obvious. Clicking on the menu bar with the >>left button and dragging it down to show the screen behind just isn't one of >>those things that come to you-especially when there is no visual indicator to >>show that there -is- a screen behind. Perhaps, with some kind of notifier that >>there is a layered screen, it could be more intuitive. > > You don't have to drag screens, you just click on the front/back gadgets >just like windows. What's the visual indicator on the Mac if a window >opens and takes up the whole screen? How do you know there's something >behind it? Common sense of course. > >>As for the "intelligence" shot, well, it was smileyed, so I won't bother >>spouting the old-time Mac Religion. Save us both, eh? > > Layered screens aren't any less intuition than layered windows. >For all intents and purposes Screens can be thought of as large >full screen windows with child windows inside them. > >>--- >>Jim Gaynor - AgVAX System Manager - Academic Computing - Ohio State University >>VMS: UNIX: >>Disclaimer : All opinions expressed here are mine and only mine. So there! >>Witty Quote: "Shoot him now! Shoot him now!" -Daffy Duck, "Rabbit Seasonings" > >/ INET:rjc@gnu.ai.mit.edu * // The opinions expressed here do not \ >| INET:r_cromwe@upr2.clu.net | \X/ in any way reflect the views of my self.| >\ UUCP:uunet!tnc!m0023 * / Well, actually, the 1.3 system of screens must have been a bit less than intuitive, because it got better. Under 2.0, you can flip through all screens with amiga-m. You can also drag a screen around without having to reach for the title bar (and you can also drag it in the horizontal direction... virtual screens can be much larger than the real screen, even the workbench.) You can also create new screens and declare them as public, so that you can have as many scratch areas as you wish. There are also some features for applications to actually share non standard screens (developper starting to slobber over his keyboard :-) ). This is getting more and more to match the ``sheets of paper'' paradigm, and since we can't push windows off the screen (we could use that), this helps A LOT in uncluttering your workspace. IMHO, this is even better in most cases. It takes me much less time to flip through several screens than to rearrange window positions/size/depth... to the point I regret that some programs cannot open their own screens. ---- Marc Espie (espie@flamingo.stanford.edu)