Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!sun-barr!olivea!samsung!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!sdd.hp.com!hplabs!hpl-opus!hpcc05!hpcc01!flower From: flower@hpcc01.HP.COM (Graham Flower) Newsgroups: sci.electronics Subject: Re: ECL logic computers ? Message-ID: <4450010@hpcc01.HP.COM> Date: 27 Jun 91 17:01:53 GMT References: <7183@gara.une.oz.au> Organization: HP Corp Computing & Services Lines: 38 ECL is used in a number of computers. The design tools are there but it is true that they are behind the CMOS tools. ECL is easy to get to 500Mhz. It willl easily go much higher. I have personally designed circuits that clock at over 6 gigaherz and ECL circuits that have clock rates as high as 10 gigaherz have been built. However at about a gigaherz life becomes more complicated due to bond wire inductances and package parasitics. To work above 1 gigaherz is no big deal but right noe there are no standardd cheap packages that will make this stuff affordable for computers. This will change. Computers will see alot of bipolar and bicmos in the future as speeds require it. Computer communication will be an area where data rates will have to be high and is a prime candidate for bipolar or GaAs. Right now there are a bunch of people from 5 or 6 companies working on this (hp is one ). Another issue and probably the biggest reason for less ECL in computers is the power dissipation of ECL. It is literally orders of magnitude larger than CMOS. This means that you really cannot build a million transistor chip in bipolar because the power is too great. Power has limited bipolar chips to 10000 gates or so until recently. People are now doing 50000 nor so. CMOS can do 10-100 times the gates with less power. Bipolar tends to stay with the extreme performance types of computers. IBM uses it in alot of mainfraimes especially were speed is an issue. These computers are usually liquid cooled using pretty interestin and innovative schemes which are far too expensive for a PC. CMOS is easy to systemize into design libraries and it is easier to use with automatic layout tools. Fewer mask steps means high yields and quick turnarounds. Bipolar can do mixed functions and analog better, but for low cost, quick turn system applications like PCs it cant touch CMOS. Bipolar is harder to systemize for digital. ECL is notorious for osillating if you are not careful on chip. Usually it is driving too large of a capacitive load that hammers you. graham flower Hewlett Packard San Jose graham@hpmsdpo.sj.hp.com