Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: jclark@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (John Clark) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Core of the Bible (was Re: Calendar Time) Message-ID: Date: 30 Jun 91 17:40:57 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: University of California, San Diego Lines: 38 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article allenroy@cs.pdx.edu (callen roy) writes: + +The Theory of Evolution does do away with God and a loving reationship with +Him. It does away with the Falling away from the loving relationship with +God. By doing away with 'sin', it does away with the need for a saviour. I do not see in what M. Siemon posted regarding a 'liberal' interpretation of human origins and the development of human consciousness of 'sin' as 'doing away with God, Sin, and the Remedy'. As a scientific concept the idea of 'God' has not been part of the body of Science for some time. Hence explanations such as 'God did it' are no longer valid(accepted by the scientific community at large). This has as much to do with the problem of 'causality' for which the scientific community has another problem. Mere observation of juxtaposed events does not imply a causal relationship. If one wishes one does not need 'Science' nor 'Scientific models', one can use the model 'God did it' it explains all phenomena and if some phenomena seems 'inconsistent' one can always fall back on 'humans are limited and can not possibly comprehend the infinitude of the Diety'. Personally I like Velekovsky's planet collision theory. Or how about 'polar shifts' etc. There are inumerable theories for which there is no information(or such small amounts of information) which would allow one to choose the 'best' theory or model which fit the most 'facts'. As for Evolution, one can 1) accept it as doctrine 2) accept it provisionally 3) dismiss it 4) dismiss it with prejudice. It is only, in my mind, because the fundamentist wants to have the Bible be absolutely consistent both internally and externally(i.e. accurately reflect the universe as we understand it from a 'scientific' point of view) that the theory of Evolution 'cuts the core away'. -- John Clark jclark@ucsd.edu