Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!dimacs.rutgers.edu!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: wimjan@dbf.kun.nl (Wim-Jan Hilgenbos) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Core of the Bible (was Re: Calendar Time) Message-ID: Date: 30 Jun 91 18:38:58 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Lines: 84 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu >Hi Michael: >I agree the the 'core' of the Bible is the Salvation provided by Jesus--His >life and death and ressurection. Further, Jesus came to save us from sin which >is 'the transgression of the Law'. Regardless of wheather on considers the Law >to be the ten commandments or the Pentatuch, Jesus said that the foundation of >both the Law (Pentatuch) and the Prophets is Love for God and man. Love is a >binary relationship that is vital for life in the universe. So, sin is a >broken love relationship between God and man. In order for sin (a breaking >of a relationship) to occure there must first be a love relationship. So far so good.....but, >Where does the theory of Evolution indicate that genun homo acquired a love >relationship with an absent god, so that a Fall could occure. Wat's this refering too? Evolution theory doesn't try to explain this fact. Probably doesn't even acknowledge it try to explain this fact. Probably doesn't even acknowledge it >Jesus believed Genesis 1 and 2 because he said, 'haven't you read that at the >beginning the Creator 'made them male and female.'' He accepte the naration >recorded by Moses as fact--including the Adam/Eve/Garden/Serpent story. And >Jesus not only believed in the creation story, He was (is) the Creator. 'In >the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, >He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without >him nothing was made that has been made. . . The Word became flesh and lived >for a while among us. . . the one and only 'Son'.' (John 1:1-3,14) Jesus doesn't contradict this story, but that doesn't mean He accepts it as fact. His reaction is explained as well if He believed it to be a parabel (is this english?). The second argument is better, but doesn't say !HOW! everything was created. Still in a discusion with an evolutionist its not based on common ground so it can't be used as an argument. >Jesus also believed in the Flood as recorded by Moses (Matthew 25:37-39; >Luke 17:26-27). See my remarks above. > The Flood blasts the foundation of the theory of Evolution-- ? >They will say. . . Who will say? >Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has >since the beginning of creation.(Theory of Unifomatarinaism) But they >deliberately forget that long ago by God's word the heavens existed and the >earth was formed out of water and with water. By water also the world of that >time was deluged and destroyed.(2 Peter 3:4-6) Where is this referring too? >The moderator of this BB prefers that we not get into a deep discussion of >Creation vrs. Evolution, so I'll not go further into that. I close with this >point, I am convinced that the Cration/Flood model is a far better >interpretation of the facts of science than the theory of Evolution. >The Theory of Evolution does do away with God and a loving reationship with >Him. It does away with the Falling away from the loving relationship with >God. By doing away with 'sin', it does away with the need for a saviour. >If we don't need a saviour, then all the Gospel is trivial nonsense. And >a Christian is a fool's fool. >The only reason why someone would doubt the Creation, is because they doubt >the Bible and the Saviour of the Bible. They belive a man's theory above >Jesus' own beliefs. Evolution cuts the 'core' out of the Bible. This absolutly isn't true. Allthough I believe God created all things I don't accept the Genisis story as a litteral truth. Ther eare more ways than one to look at the Bible and I think youre neglecting that. Besides, I don't think you're arguing with correct arguments, which is the reason why I decided to respond. Its ok if you want to argue creation, but you should do it the right way. >Allen Roy >God loves you. All He wants is for you to love Him back. Greetings WimJan