Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!caen!spool.mu.edu!agate!eos!data.nas.nasa.gov!news From: dogen@casbah.acns.nwu.edu (John Chq) Newsgroups: soc.religion.eastern Subject: Ultimate metaphysical reality in Mahayana Message-ID: <1991Jun28.224627.10108@nas.nasa.gov> Date: 28 Jun 91 22:46:27 GMT Sender: news@nas.nasa.gov Organization: Academic Computing and Network Services, Evanston, Il. Lines: 28 Approved: prabhu@amelia.nas.nasa.gov Dear Mr. Wheeler (and others), Well..., what can I say? Since there is a metaphysical reality, whether I like it or not, John, I guess I can't argue w/ you. Never mind Nagarjuna's "Stanzas on the Middle way", Vasubaddhu's "Establishment of Consciousness Only", etc., etc.. If anything, do keep in mind the Mahayana teaching of upaya. I'll assume you know this doctrine. BTW, did you ever hear of Master Upa-Bove? He's supposed to have reached the highest state of conscousness there is--then one step further! And he dosen't even charge a cent. Just look upward and ....! J.C. PS. The pronounciation of the Master's name is "up above", just as its spelled. Also I should mention that one of my zen teachers told me (facetiously) that given my "presence" I should dust off my old sanskrit texts, and Tibetan prints, go to California, and start a religious organization (i.e., cult). He said I would rake in the $$$'s. No offence to Cal's--I love the place (SF). Maybe Florida would be better; I'll start up my Meta-yogic Nirvana Theme Park, and put the other one's out of business. Didn't someone say 'economics' is central? On second thought, naw... bad karma. -- ******************************************************************************* -- John Cha "The present is always more interesting than the future or the past" *******************************************************************************