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From: turk@vaxb.acs.unt.edu
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Subject: Sufism
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Date: 28 Jun 91 13:09:20 GMT
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[Moderator's Note: This article is a reply to an original article in 
soc.culture.turkish, and may be more relevant here.]


From: yamen@engr.wisc.edu (Soner Yamen)


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Mansur 'enel Hak' demis, yani "ben Hakkim" demis. En kit zekayla bile,
                                                  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
sofinin dediginin 'ben Allah'im' anlamina gelmeyecegi acik. Oyle
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dese bile, kimsenin inanacagi mi var? En fazla 'delidir' der gecersiniz.
Oysa dedigi, 'fenafillah' anlayisinin sonucu ve illa bir anlam verilmek
isteniyorsa 'ben Hakki buldum, ondan gayri hic birsey yok, olsa dahi
onemi yok' turunden bir anlam verilebilir.

  Excuse me......  I didn't take any I.Q. test but my intellicency is not the
case. I believe he meant what he said. Sufi philosophy believes all things are
the parts of Allah including living things and human being, they are at least
the reflection of Allah. They originate from Allah. I also believe this
philosophy (Metaphysic Dialectic) is the mainstream of Islamic philosophy   
(non -fundamentalist of course) which makes biggest difference with
Christianity which believes God is a Human-Shaped male "thing" who runs around 
among people and deals with them and throws bombs to cities ( Sodom and    
Gomora ).
 So Mansur thought as a part and/or reflection of Allah he has right to say  
"Enel-Hak" ( I am the Allah ).
 *I ask the yellow flower if it got an origin?* 
(Sordum sari cicege aslin varmidir?)

 By the way this discussion isn't belong here, if you want to discuss this
further see you in S.R.I. if we can ever get in there, or you can E-Mail me.

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