Azehntel.113 net.columbia utzoo!decvax!ucbvax!menlo70!sytek!zehntel!berry Tue Oct 13 13:00:39 1981 Gliding brick 15000 feet per minute is approximately 170.47 miles per hour. Does the shuttle REALLY land going 170 mph DOWN??? or is that only the speed at which it loses altitude from orbit? -- Berry Kercheval