Aduke.1853 net.games.rogue utzoo!decvax!duke!cjp Fri Mar 5 14:15:45 1982 no backing up I can't speak for the brand-new version containing treasure rooms and so on. But sufficient number of fallacious claims has appeared to warrent a reply: There is nothing in the code to suggest that backing up from a monster improves the odds of hitting it. This is mere superstition. By the way, does anyone know where I can get the version with treasure rooms, for an 11/70? If not, how about for a VAX?