Aduke.2109 net.misc utzoo!decvax!harpo!duke!cjp Mon May 3 22:52:35 1982 Re: utcsrgv.329: Of quantum, uncertainty, and bishops Thanks to Don Chan for his comments on quantum mechanics. I think I see where he slips up though. His statement about uncertainty is correct, but the formula needs modification. (Delta x) * (delta v) <= (H bar) is true if delta x is the uncertainty in location, and delta v is the uncertainty in *momentum*, rather than velocity. At non-relativistic speeds, the mass is constant; velocity is proportional to momentum. But the velocity you can impart to a particle by observing it's position to arbitrarily high precision is limited by the speed of light! So let's assume that I have equipment which measures a particle's position to super-high precision. This is allowed by Uncertainty. Its momentum after my observation can be correspondingly super-high. But this is accounted for by the relativistic gain in mass of the particle due to its high velocity. In other words, its momentum can be unbounded but its velocity is bounded by c. And I can know arbitrarily well that the particle was *here* when I observed it, and not a light year away, and also know that it won't be observable at that distant place for at least a year. So much for Uncertainty: you can't know *everything* about a particle, but you *can* know enough about it to say where it is *not*. Now for wave functions. I refer to the Copenhagen Interpretation of Quantum Mechanics for my argument (thanks Don). The quantum mechanical interpretation of a particle as a wave function makes no statement about reality, but merely describes its statistical behavior. In particular, no claim is made that the particle so described *can* be simultaneously observed at two light-year separated points; it just describes the probabilities of being observed at a point *independently of any other knowledge about the particle*. If you *know* something about the particle, then the *a priori* description need not reflect the reality of what you know, indeed it does not reflect the restrictions on speed-of-light propagation. Basically I'm saying that if you know anything at all about the location of a given particle, then its mathematical wave function is a lie everywhere beyond a speed of light from that particle. Charles Poirier (duke!cjp)