From: utzoo!utcsrgv!utcsstat!geoff Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards Title: Re: Down with files that begin with a dot Article-I.D.: utcsstat.345 Posted: Tue Oct 12 18:35:55 1982 Received: Tue Oct 12 21:50:18 1982 References: utcsrgv.598 UTS is almost vanilla v7 UNIX*, put on 370s by Amdahl. It is *not* an emulator. The idea of ... is Amdahl's, not ours. I won't defend BICS; it's a glass keypunch facility. FLAME Right, let's stamp out these damn dot files! Berkeley seems to have been a great source of them (.mailrc, .newsrc, .msgsrc, .cshrc, .thisrc, .thatrc). Programs like ls and sh that read directories should explicitly skip only . and .., not all files beginning with `.'. v7 had almost eliminated dot files: .mail had become /usr/spool/mail/login-name, PWB's .path had vanished, .profile is the only significant dot file left. But then 4BSD rushed in to revive them. I don't care whether dot files are ordinary visible files in one's login directory or live in ~/personal, but the dot convention has got to go. Make all files visible. EMALF Geoff Collyer, University of Toronto Computing Services