From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!ihnp4!ihuxv!portegys Newsgroups: net.followup Title: Re: Refutation of the Turing test Article-I.D.: ihuxv.401 Posted: Sun Nov 28 03:08:53 1982 Received: Sun Nov 28 06:27:15 1982 In reference to the recent note commenting on the counterexample to the Turing test. That note really hit me strangely, and after a while I figured out why. I think that Searle's criticism of the Turing test is based on what he sees as a weakness, but it is exactly that weakness that is its strength. By that I mean that Turing decided to sidestep all of the subjective and intuitive definitions of intelligence and become a behaviorist for a while. And in doing so he proposed a method of determining (defining?) intelligence based completely on external measurements. So if there is no way to tell the difference between someone who "knows" chinese, and someone who can always respond in a way that can fool people, is there any sense in making a distinction? Is there any distinction? Tom Portegys, BTL IH, (...ihuxv!portegys)