From: utzoo!watmath!bstempleton Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Title: Re: The Other Article-I.D.: watmath.3943 Posted: Fri Nov 26 18:49:02 1982 Received: Sat Nov 27 01:35:47 1982 References: sbcs.142 Vader is not the top living Jedi in any way, and he knows it: 1) He defers to the emperor (my master) quite clearly. 2) It is unknown who would have won the vader-obiwan fight if obiwan had not given up the fight to enter this higher plane he is in. If obiwan could have beaten vader, then Yoda could too. If the Other was on the cloud city, and yoda could not see the fate of those there when luke left, then they should have had some concern that all their eggs were in one basket. This gives support to the idea that the other is not from the group of central characters, but it could also be Lando, who the ROTJ trailer says plays a big part in the third movie. Remember: Yoda thought Luke was too old for Jedi Training and accepted him because he had already learned from ob1 and the rebels.