From: utzoo!utcsrgv!utcsstat!wagner Newsgroups: net.singles Title: Re: On social competition (Indirectly, at least) Article-I.D.: utcsstat.438 Posted: Sat Nov 27 01:06:25 1982 Received: Sat Nov 27 01:53:42 1982 References: ima.252 I dont think the "insensitive clod" really has all that much of an advantage - I think people notice that he is using his elbows, and people who dont like that sort of persuit will not be impressed. Those that are impressed by that sort of persuit have never been of interest to me, so it always worked out fine. The broader question of how to deal with the fact that she already has a boyfriend........ I dont know where to start. I guess my first comment is: so what? Unless you are looking for a short-term quick stand, then the first few times you would spend time with her would be developing a friendship; something that proceeds in the same way regardless of whether she has a boyfriend or not. During that forming a friendship period, you, amongst other things, will become aware of whether the boyfriend means a lot to her, or whether he is mostly there because everyone has one. If he means a lot, you have found a friend. Be content with that. If she is worth knowing, she wont appreciate your trying to push him out of the way if she likes him. On the other hand, if he is there just because everyone has one, you could sit back and wait until you know her better than he does, and see if that changes her feelings at all. I doubt that I would follow that path (especially cast in the cynical way I have just presented it); my experience is that the best friendships/relationships have come when I wasnt looking in this cold sort of way. So just look for friends; a fraction of the friendships will become more if you just let them, and dont force it. Michael Wagner, UTCS