From: utzoo!decvax!duke!mcnc!unc!tim Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards Title: How about VMS-style protection? Article-I.D.: unc.4330 Posted: Mon Nov 29 14:23:50 1982 Received: Tue Nov 30 02:30:34 1982 Since everyone is suggesting impossible changes in the UN*X protection system, I would like to put in my two cents worth for separating writing from deleting. VMS protection is a simple 4x4 arrangement: read, write, execute, and delete for each of system, owner, group, world. ("System" includes such things as the mail utility.) I have serious reservations about UN*X considering writing files equivalent to deleting them. Sure, if you grab the thing with a text editor, you can empty it if you have write protection, regardless of delete, but in practice the two operations tend to be rather different. In particular, it is nice to be able to write a directory without being able to delete it. Since unlink is a separate function from create and write, this doesn't seem conceptually impossible to implement. Tim Maroney unc!tim