From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhtsa!alice!danny Newsgroups: net.nlang,net.followup Title: Re: Re: Heighth Article-I.D.: alice.1222 Posted: Wed Dec 1 10:49:53 1982 Received: Sat Dec 4 08:32:48 1982 References: burl.111 In pointing out the analogy between 'heighTH' and 'widTH'/'breadTH', I wasn't, as Curtis Jackson suggests, saying that one SHOULD use 'heighTH', merely that its origin is explainable. Furthermore, there is reason to believe that heighTH is the ORIGINAL form and that heighT was originally a "sloppy" pronunciation. Reason: we know that -th is a suffix used to form noun from adj's; now the gh in high was originally pronounced as a velar fricative (like ch in German 'Bach'); the difficulty of gh followed by th is likely to have led to heighT (at sometime before the other "sloppy" pronunciation, the dropping of 'gh', became standard. An aside to those of you who think there are absolute "right" and "wrong" pronunciations: 1. Very often what people call "wrong" is simply the standard pronunciation of a different region. Where heighTH is standard, heighT sounds "wrong", like pronouncing 'both' as 'boat'. Where there are regional differences, how do we know which one to choose? There is certainly no THEORETICAL basis on which to do this. The answer is clear: when YOU are speaking, use pronunciations which sound "correct" to your ear; when the other guy is speaking, accept his pronunciations as equally valid. 2. Do you have a silent k in knee and knight? A silent gh in high and though? Do you pronounce the final gh of cough and laugh as an f? All these were considered "wrong" "sloppy" or "uneducated" pronunciations at one time. One must accept the fact that it is in the nature of human language to change with time. And there is absolutely no evidence that change does any harm. Does this mean you have to use pronunciations you feel uncomfortable with, just because they seem to be becoming more popular? Of course not; at any point in time any given person will feel that certain usage is "right" or "wrong" for him. Just give the rest of us a break! Dan Kahn Bell Labs Murray Hill, NJ