From: utzoo!decvax!decwrl!sun!gnu Newsgroups: net.ham-radio Title: Re: Packet protocol proposal (long) Article-I.D.: sun.162 Posted: Sat Dec 11 02:27:34 1982 Received: Sat Dec 11 10:48:56 1982 References: tektronix.842 Sigh. Yet another ad-hoc protocol invented "because none of the other protocols were good enough". I did this once myself (with PCNet) and came out of it with the belief that in most cases, it doesn't really matter what the protocol is. It only matters that there IS a protocol, that is, an agreement among all the potential users. The larger the group, the better, since the objective is easy interchange. Now that the major packet groups in SF, Tucson, St. Louis, New Jersey, Washington, Vancouver, and elsewhere seem to finally be agreeing on the need for protocol standardization (probably due the the prospect of a satellite mailbox system within a small number of years), out comes yet another protocol. Look: somehow with the horrendous UUCP protocol we've managed to patch together a network of hundreds of computers and thousands of people. Surely with that as a daily example you can live with the problems (and yes, there are plenty) with the agreed-upon standard link-level amateur packet protocol (which itself follows several ISO/ANSI standards, making it likely that cheap available hardware, software, and gatewaying will be available). Please reconsider? Yes, it's definitely fun to play around designing and implementing a protocol for a year or two, but if at the end of it you can only talk to 4 other people, why not consider doing something with better odds? John Gilmore, Sun Microsystems PS: Yes, PCNet works, sort of, and yes, I can talk to about 4 people with it. And yes, it took a year. PPS: There are cheap ways to calculate CRC in software, like ~10 instructions per byte as I recall. It helps a lot to know the math, which I don't.