From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!seismo!hao!hplabs!hp-pcd!courtney Newsgroups: net.politics Title: Re: progressive tax - (nf) Article-I.D.: hp-pcd.549 Posted: Mon Dec 20 18:01:53 1982 Received: Wed Dec 22 01:34:35 1982 #R:hplabsb:-117400:hp-pcd:17400004:000:1675 hp-pcd!courtney Dec 20 13:22:00 1982 In reading John Woods response and quest for recognition of trade-offs, I get the feeling that John himself is missing the scope of trade-offs that will always exist in a society of more than one living being. Certainly we all recognize that there is some limit to individual freedom. Many people will agree that an appropriate place to draw the line is at the point where one person's freedom infringes on another person's. What happens when we consider peoples freedom measured over time? Suppose we could each choose how much tax we wanted to pay this year. We probably would not see anything change for the first couple days of having this freedom (if given the choice, most of us would choose to pay little or no taxes). But in a week, a month, ... our lives would be radically affected and few of us would be happy with the result! So how much tax should we pay and how far into the future should we care? That question is the "crux of the biscuit" as far as I can tell. Much of our tax burden provides payoffs in a somewhat distant future, such as military budget, social security, education, environment, ... How far into the future can the public see and how many of them will forego consumption today for some abstact improvement of the future? The wise of today's society and of past societies seem to agree that we need a guiding collective body to help insure that we don't discount the future too greatly ... we call this collective body "government" and we bestow upon it the power to serve us with the more abstract needs of our society as a whole AND as a group of individuals. Courtney Loomis