From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhtsa!alice!rabbit!jj
Newsgroups: net.women
Title: Re: Rational Argument Against Abortion
Article-I.D.: rabbit.1092
Posted: Tue Feb  1 14:02:21 1983
Received: Wed Feb  2 06:32:27 1983
References: ihnp1.163 yale-com.759

	I noticed while reading the article that this article follows up,
that the author asked about the use of IUD's for birth control.
	While I certainly don't feel this way, mostly because I have known
and helped several individuals who were unwanted children, I have been told
time and again that the Roman Catholic Church regards ANY form of birth control
as murder because it causes the "death" of a potential individual.  It seems
to me that this also places birth control devices under the heading of abortion,
at least to people who are of the RC faith.  Since I am not RC, and my knowlege
is based on information about 10 years old, this may have changed.  If it has
changed, however, I certainly question the "infalliability doctrine" since
a change would certainly presume something???
	Anyone who thinks that bringing an unwanted child into the world
is doing that child a favor must convince me of several things:
	1) Is not that (aborted/murdered/whatever you like) child dying in
a state of grace, never having committed an act of sin? <I know that
the human presumtion arguement could argue otherwise, but I still argue
that that individual has not had the opportunity to sin,  therefore, if
humans, by defination, are sinners...>
	2) How can you force this individual to be born, unless YOU,
PERSONALLY are willing to take the individual's salvation into your
own hands.  Here I'm on strong ground, hiding lights under bushels, and the
like.
	3)  Given that you are not willing to take this individual's salvation
into your own hands, how do you justify the bringing into the world of a
condemned soul?  Certainly an unwanted child brought into the world only
to suicide or turn to a life of crime, for the lack of a caring elder <not
necessarily parent, there are many instances where unwanted children have
had successful lives due to the intervention of a non-related person> is NOT
going to have salvation unless you (collectively)_ do something.
Some people have responded to this by stating that putting them into
prison is the answer, that it forces reassesment of the  "soul".
Anyone  who belives that also believes that fining a poor family and
making them eat out of garbage cans will save their souls.
I'm not interested in examples of people from broken families who have
succeeded, I know at least one VERY well, and I can show you that such
people are the exception, and that they, almost uniformly, would be even
better individuals if they would NOT have had to rise above their background.

If you have something to add to my arguement, please post it, or mail it,
depending on your own desire.  If you wish to save my soul, proclaim me
condemned, or whatever, keep it, you will only anger me and turn me farther
from the path to which you wish to sway me.

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The only people who can possible know if they can, or will, care for
a child, are the parents.  Leave the decision to those who know best, unless
you are willing to PERSONALLY take all responsibility.

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rabbit!<with hesitation>jj
(Who wishes that he didn't have such strong opinions that he actually
felt he had to post them.)