From: utzoo!decvax!microsof!uw-beave!uw-june!dragon Newsgroups: net.followup Title: Re: Spelling of "weird" Article-I.D.: uw-june.377 Posted: Tue Apr 12 10:39:41 1983 Received: Thu Apr 14 00:27:20 1983 References: sbcs.268 Sorry, but those aren't exceptions. The rule is "i before e, except after c, and sounding as a as in neighbor and weigh." Both you're examples vowel sound is a long a, so they conform to the rules. Dragon