From: utzoo!decvax!harpo!eagle!mhtsa!alice!rabbit!lucius Newsgroups: net.movies Title: Re: Engineers in Movies? Bah! Article-I.D.: rabbit.1276 Posted: Sat Mar 26 19:37:02 1983 Received: Sun Mar 27 06:43:28 1983 References: <3333@cbosgd.UUCP> It's a real shame that Jim Grams couldn't have read my note a little more thoroughly before he wrote his, and subsequently disqualified his entire arguement, which belongs in net.flame along with the rest of the unqualified sophistry. I especially found amusing his ravings about "offensive tone". It comes to me as no surprise that he can recognize an offensive tone, but it would behoove him to consider what could be done should I wish to resort to sophistry and "offensive tone" myself. (I believe such things to be foolish, and not likely to produce improvement in any situation.) It's unfortunate that he has chosen net.movies as the launching point of his Jihad against engineers, since movies, being so poorly constructed and lacking in art , don't attract the attention of many engineers, who prefer more consistant, better thought out, and more subtle entertainment than "Spring Break" or "Young Frankenstein". While I suppose that he would have seen more opposition (both qualified and unqualified) would he have chosen a more technical group, I am pleasantly relieved that so few engineers have been encouraged to waste their time. (I argue on my own time.) Also amusing was his insistance that engineers have no background outside their own fields. As the note that he complained about demonstrated, such is not the case. It's especially interesting (and amusing, to me) that he missed the essential contradiction in the names "John Galt" and "Lucius Gil Jones". Perhaps a few weeks of entertaining and enlightening reading would aid him in recognizing such subtlty. I urge the gentleman (if indeed he is) to consider his own highly emotional basis for disliking those who have the ability to change their environment for better or worse. Please, Mr. Grams, let us move this silly debate to net.flame, where those who thrive on controversy can read it, and those who must obtain solace from the mass media don't have to have their minds boggled. In a more serious vein, there are certainly illiterate (or un-artistic) engineers, as well as scientists, and for that matter professors of English. Using the worst examples of any profession, as has been done with engineers for many years, can only interfere with both the individual's and society's welfare. Lucius Gil Jones "The Roads Must Roll"