From: utzoo!decvax!duke!mcnc!unc!tim Newsgroups: net.religion Title: Re: The basis for laws in our culture. Article-I.D.: unc.4867 Posted: Wed Mar 30 13:56:15 1983 Received: Thu Mar 31 01:23:05 1983 References: dadla-a.316 I agree almost entirely with Steve's (not Hutchison -- sorry, I didn't catch the last name) article claiming that the ultimate source for laws should be pragmatism, not religion. My first objection is that it is possible for a purely pragmatic legal structure to disregard human freedoms. It would not greatly destabilize the USA if the executive branch were to take over the media, for instance. Rather than "the stability of the society" as our goal in pragmatism, we should use "the free exercise of the rights of the individual citizens". We then have to define rights; this is where the difficulty with religion comes in. Different people have different ideas of what people's rights are. My feeling is that it is sufficient to say that no one is free to infringe on anyone else's freedoms, but this is a recursive definition and possibly too hard for the masses to live with, due to its requiring thought. (The bottom of the recursion is that certain actions such as murder obviously make it impossible for a person to exercise freedoms.) My second objection is that the laws on recreational drugs were not, as Steve claims, formed because the use of drugs was harming society. Steve provides an example involving patent medicines. This is what the FDA was set up for; the offending substances were being deceptively marketed in a harmful fashion. The FDA was created to control, among other things, the sale of medicines. The Bureau of Narcotics was responsible for the laws against *recreational* use of such substances as marijuana, cocaine, heroin, etc. The head of the Bureau was Harry J. Anslinger, a Prohibition agent who found himself out of work when Prohibition ended, and managed through family ties to get the job with the Bureau. He then implemented a massive and deceitful advertising campaign, focusing particularly on marijuana, that led to the almost universal anti-pot attitudes today. He was a bastard, but he was good at what he did. When someone speaks of the "New Prohibition", referring to pot, they are not being metaphorical: the current laws are a direct descendant, through Anslinger, of alcohol Prohibition in this country. Tim Maroney